Most overrated bands ever?

[Yanqui_UXO]

Originally Posted by boo boo

In my opinion, they deserve all the praise they get.

don't get me wrong, i consider myself a fan, i just like ride and slowdive better.

[iamrobed]

what is yalls problem saying that the beatles are over rated. then saying some queers like green *** are great that proves their knowledge now we all all know when you dont do drugs you dont make good music eg. n sync

[kiki chunt]

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Oh yes, he was a "twat" so clearly they are overrated. Originality is somehow connected to overrated?

Not exactly what I was saying, but yes, now that you mention it - when an unoriginal act recieves too much publicity maybe it does have some connection - for me at least. And Axl being a twat is admittedly incidental. But it didn't help any either. Being an objectionable a**hole doesn't have anything to do with being over valued for your talent, otherwise I'd have to have included Van Morrison, Roger Waters and Bob Dylan too - to name but a few: being loathsome as people has not prevented them from fairly being recognised for their genius in music.

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

Someone post the definitions again, these ****ing newbs are enough to make one claw their own eyes out.

Well pardon me for being a naive noob, and somehow offending you.
But please, don't let me get in the way of your self mutilation, if that's what your frustrations demand.
Definitions? Do elaborate, I might have missed something (?)
Maybe I'd post more often and be less of a noob after eight months if I hadn't come across so much pointless pedantry around the place.

Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog

How about you try this one again, the rest of your suggestions weren't bad. But maybe this time how about some germane logic, that would be ****ing swell.

Any reason I should be expected to apply more 'germane logic' here to G&R than any other artist I mentioned? None of my other suggestions were delivered with much more or less reasoning than the one you took exception to, so I figure it's just that it being about G&R is all that's got your knickers in a twist. Is it not enough that I JUST DON'T THINK THEY WERE THAT GOOD? Why not?

As for being germane, the question being asked in this post was: "What do you think are the most overrated bands ever? Hold nothing back!" To which I think my reply was perfectly pertinent and fitting.

Or was it just because you think I 'held back' that you took such immediate offence?
OK - here's a more thorough examination of my personal feelings about the band: I believe that G&R were a triumph of cynical marketing over artistic substance. They were complete media whores, milking every bit of bad-boy hype for exposure, and they got to the top it without being all that great a rock band - IMO. They were just the last great roar from that school of rawk, which had been stagnating for some time, and pretty much crawling up it it's own spandex clad butt, all permed hair, posturing and masturbatory about it's own guitar solo note-counting cleverness. To give them they're due, they ended that period in an appropriate and spectacular fashion.
Over-rated? Yes, when I found myself surrounded in the late eighties by a sea of weekend headbangers in cheap bandanas, painted leather jackets and (gods save us) tattoos, all dedicated to an accomplished hype re-hash of rock already heard, I did tend to think they were a little more popular than they had any right to be. Grunge was so refreshing when it first arrived . . .
Slash is undeniably a brilliant guitarist, but Axl is just such a total embarressment - doesn't even cut it as one of the great rock/drugs/booze survivors - and there are many of those who I'm prepared to forgive any amount of excessive and unpleasant behaviour on account of their talent and wit.

Axl meets Eddie Van Halen in a bar - must be a joke in there somewhere . . .

"Germane logic" indeed! Now I'm justifying myself to what, vulcan pedagogues?

[Kashmir86]

Originally Posted by kiki chunt

Not exactly what I was saying, but yes, now that you mention it - when an unoriginal act recieves too much publicity maybe it does have some connection - for me at least. And Axl being a twat is admittedly incidental. But it didn't help any either. Being an objectionable a**hole doesn't have anything to do with being over valued for your talent, otherwise I'd have to have included Van Morrison, Roger Waters and Bob Dylan too - to name but a few: being loathsome as people has not prevented them from fairly being recognised for their genius in music.



Well pardon me for being a naive noob, and somehow offending you.
But please, don't let me get in the way of your self mutilation, if that's what your frustrations demand.
Definitions? Do elaborate, I might have missed something (?)
Maybe I'd post more often and be less of a noob after eight months if I hadn't come across so much pointless pedantry around the place.



Any reason I should be expected to apply more 'germane logic' here to G&R than any other artist I mentioned? None of my other suggestions were delivered with much more or less reasoning than the one you took exception to, so I figure it's just that it being about G&R is all that's got your knickers in a twist. Is it not enough that I JUST DON'T THINK THEY WERE THAT GOOD? Why not?

As for being germane, the question being asked in this post was: "What do you think are the most overrated bands ever? Hold nothing back!" To which I think my reply was perfectly pertinent and fitting.

Or was it just because you think I 'held back' that you took such immediate offence?
OK - here's a more thorough examination of my personal feelings about the band: I believe that G&R were a triumph of cynical marketing over artistic substance. They were complete media whores, milking every bit of bad-boy hype for exposure, and they got to the top it without being all that great a rock band - IMO. They were just the last great roar from that school of rawk, which had been stagnating for some time, and pretty much crawling up it it's own spandex clad butt, all permed hair, posturing and masturbatory about it's own guitar solo note-counting cleverness. To give them they're due, they ended that period in an appropriate and spectacular fashion.
Over-rated? Yes, when I found myself surrounded in the late eighties by a sea of weekend headbangers in cheap bandanas, painted leather jackets and (gods save us) tattoos, all dedicated to an accomplished hype re-hash of rock already heard, I did tend to think they were a little more popular than they had any right to be. Grunge was so refreshing when it first arrived . . .
Slash is undeniably a brilliant guitarist, but Axl is just such a total embarressment - doesn't even cut it as one of the great rock/drugs/booze survivors - and there are many of those who I'm prepared to forgive any amount of excessive and unpleasant behaviour on account of their talent and wit.

Axl meets Eddie Van Halen in a bar - must be a joke in there somewhere . . .

"Germane logic" indeed! Now I'm justifying myself to what, vulcan pedagogues?

that was and impressive post for a NooB. I think you just dropped the A-bomb.

[sleepy jack]

^ He's been here since april...you've been here since october, your newer then him and i think this is the exact comments we should stop immdeitly slapping "n00b" on everyone whos post are under 50, because if we did what alot of other forums did and have posts in the lounge/off topic boards not count. There would be quite a few people without avatars.

[Kashmir86]

Originally Posted by Alexisonfire

^ He's been here since april...you've been here since october, your newer then him and i think this is the exact comments we should stop immdeitly slapping "n00b" on everyone whos post are under 50, because if we did what alot of other forums did and have posts in the lounge/off topic boards not count. There would be quite a few people without avatars.

My bad. Still an impressive post nonetheless...

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by Kashmir86

My bad. Still an impressive post nonetheless...

Not something to be ashamed of, alot of people are guilty of it and i do agree its shocking to see a non regular member stand his/her ground.

[Muzak]

I actually think Pink Floyd is becoming overated even though it isn't their fault. It is just that at my school, like almost out of every 10 people, 1 or 2 people wear Pink Floyd shirts/hats/bags. It seems that now the little kiddies are now trying to be all liking Rock and yet half of them, I would say, like 50 Cent and other rappers and pop rock. But the worst part is that every single one of the things they wear (shirts/hats/bags) it is the Dark Side of the Moon symbol. I mean, I know most of them personally and I know they listen to Pink Floyd alot and many times it is other albums but many of the other ones I don't know, I ask them their favorite song by them and everytime they respond "Money".
(I think this is a run-on sorry)
Also, AC/DC, not their fault either. But most kids have these AD/CD hats or shirts and I ask them what albums do they listen to and they all answer with "Back and Black". Yes it is a good album but there are many more by them that are great. I think AC/DC and Pink Floyd is the victim when it comes to being overated. Does this happen to anyone else are am I the only one? Please don't flame.

[Seltzer]

Originally Posted by Muzak

I actually think Pink Floyd is becoming overated even though it isn't their fault. It is just that at my school, like almost out of every 10 people, 1 or 2 people wear Pink Floyd shirts/hats/bags. It seems that now the little kiddies are now trying to be all liking Rock and yet half of them, I would say, like 50 Cent and other rappers and pop rock. But the worst part is that every single one of the things they wear (shirts/hats/bags) it is the Dark Side of the Moon symbol. I mean, I know most of them personally and I know they listen to Pink Floyd alot and many times it is other albums but many of the other ones I don't know, I ask them their favorite song by them and everytime they respond "Money".
(I think this is a run-on sorry)
Also, AC/DC, not their fault either. But most kids have these AD/CD hats or shirts and I ask them what albums do they listen to and they all answer with "Back and Black". Yes it is a good album but there are many more by them that are great. I think AC/DC and Pink Floyd is the victim when it comes to being overated. Does this happen to anyone else are am I the only one? Please don't flame.

Nah, you wouldn't be the only one. I hear about the "supposed fans" of AC/DC and Pink Floyd all the time on the forums. I can't say I've seen many of them since I'm living in NZ. In fact my brother is becoming one of them. He stencilled the AC/DC logo onto his speakers. The only AC/DC songs he recognises are Thunderstruck, Highway to Hell, You Shook Me All Night Long and Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap. I'm happy I turned him away from Linkin Park/Limp Bizkit/rap, but I don't want him to go around saying he likes bands when he only knows a few of their songs.

It's a problem which has plagued music throughout time. People only recognise a couple of songs from a band/artist, but are happy to go around putting the band/artist in their list of favourites. My mum's fav band is probably the Beatles, but she didn't recognize the Taxman song. I know that song, and the Beatles don't even touch my list of favourite bands.

This also happens with U2 - not to the same extent though. People listen to the greatest hits albums of U2 and rate U2 entirely on those, whereas their whole discography should be taken into account. If those people had heard some of their other studio albums, they wouldn't have praised U2 so readily.

I guess it depends on how often you listen to music, and whether you can access music when you want it.

[Muzak]

Very good post, Selzer. I agree entirely. Same thing with Jimi Hendrix. Everyone is like "Purple Haze!" and that is it. It seems that now, the cool thing is to like classic rock so everyone listens to their most popular song and they claim that they are true fans. It seems the media does this too. Every Sirrius comercial, they play Highway to Hell and that is it by AC/DC. I only wish there was a way to stop this.