Most overrated bands ever?

[Comus]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I never called Smith a bad guitarist. Drake? Yes.

Can you play the guitar? You honestly thing that the melodies Drake manages to create on Pink Moon are in any way easy? Drake far surpasses the skill of most progressive rock guitarists when it comes to creating melody alone. He's better than Fripp, Gilmour, Latimer, Creen and pretty much most other guitarists at the time. Why do I say this? Because he managed to create just as complex, beautiful and creative soundscapes on Pink Moon alone as they managed with massively talented prog bands.

Originally Posted by boo boo

Yeah but I also think Drake is a crap singer and songwriter.

Now you're just flaming of the sake of it.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Comus

Can you play the guitar? You honestly thing that the melodies Drake manages to create on Pink Moon are in any way easy? Drake far surpasses the skill of most progressive rock guitarists when it comes to creating melody alone. He's better than Fripp, Gilmour, Latimer, Creen and pretty much most other guitarists at the time. Why do I say this? Because he managed to create just as complex, beautiful and creative soundscapes on Pink Moon alone as they managed with massively talented prog bands.

Please tell me this is an elaborate prank.

[Comus]

What makes this statement so ridiculous? Why don't we start discussing the music rather than avoiding it.

[Inuzuka Skysword]

Originally Posted by Comus

Can you play the guitar? You honestly thing that the melodies Drake manages to create on Pink Moon are in any way easy? Drake far surpasses the skill of most progressive rock guitarists when it comes to creating melody alone. He's better than Fripp, Gilmour, Latimer, Creen and pretty much most other guitarists at the time. Why do I say this? Because he managed to create just as complex, beautiful and creative soundscapes on Pink Moon alone as they managed with massively talented prog bands.

I wouldn't say that he is better than Fripp or Gilmour. He is probably better than Latimer.

I mean Lizard alone should tell you that. Drake is a great musician and all of his albums are great. He is no where near Fripp though...

[Comus]

I love Lizard, it is a 10/10 album for me, Fripp is excellent on it, but he alone does not make that album. I gave Pink Moon a 9.8 due to Drake's playing and voice alone. Fripp is a great band leader and guitarist, but Drake is better. I don't think Fripp, if given a stage alone would be able to make as lush music as Drake would with a guitar alone. I probably prefer Fripp's playing most of the time, but as far as skill goes, what Drake displays on record is superior to Fripp.

[Antonio]

Originally Posted by lucifer_sam

with due reason, they were one of the pioneering thrash metal bands. coming before anyone else and producing two masterpieces (along with a few other good records) certainly helps their cause.

Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets are awesome, don't even fucking try to deny it.

oh, i can respect their influence and what they've done for music, but when actually concerning their music, it ain't shit. I'm more of a Megadeth man myself. I have Ride the Lightning by Metallica and I have Rust in Peace by Megadeth, and the latter i feel is a more entertaining and musically driven experience

[Piss Me Off]

Originally Posted by 4ZZZ

No worries son I have better things to do than talk to idiots like you.

He has a point though, this entire website is based upon subjective debate. What makes this thread any more pointless than asking what your favourite Beatles album is?

Originally Posted by Thrice

Like post in a thread for no reason other than the fact you just want to bitch? Go eat a dick elitist fuck, and leave us to our 'unintellectual' talk.

This however is completely uncalled for and ruins these things.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Comus

but as far as skill goes, what Drake displays on record is superior to Fripp.

Jesus, now you're just making it too obvious that you're joking.

I've listened to Pink Moon, it's probably the most boring thing I've ever subjected myself to listening to (until that Okkervil River album at least), the whole thing just sounded lazy, maybe there's something to his sound that's more original than other folk singers that I didn't catch, but it just sounds like the very basic strummed and fingerpicked open chords that most folk signers use to me, the kinda stuff that every guitar teacher lectures you about before anything else.

There's not a lot of skill required in that kind of playing at all, I can play it, anyone can play it. Even punk rock is more demanding. Now if you say he's a good guitarist, that's your opinion and that's fine.

But Lush? His music sounds pretty damn primitive and stripped down to me. Complex? Now I know you're messing with me.

More technically skilled than Fripp and Latimer? This goes beyond the boundries of having a subjective opinion and just saying something that is flat out objectively wrong. How do you expect me to take you seriously when you say things like this?

[Janszoon]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Says the Jeff Buckley fan - someone who you consider "great" but only released one album before drowning himself to Led Zeppelin (I'd do the same if I was in his boots though.) Don't you think the irony is far too thick here? Dismissing Elliott Smith off as just another singer/songwriter is absurd when he's far more talented then basically every singer/songwriter your fan of (e.g. John Martyn, Bon Iver) is just retarded. At the end of his career he was producing his own albums, playing virtually all the instruments (occasionally he had a guest, like on Coast to Coast but he could play drums by himself if he had pleased) and crafting songs as intimate and real as air - your post is not only ignorant but just plain fucking stupid.

I don't really see any irony in someone having different tastes from you. You think Elliot Smith is the greatest thing since sliced bread. That's fine. You're entitled to your opinion but keep in mind that your opinion is not some kind of objective fact, and hurling insults at people for not sharing it is really silly.

[DeepDishBedPan]

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