Most overrated bands ever?

[Thrice]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

There's no need to drag this on any further. You made your point, well done on that. But there's really no need to give us edited highlights of your finest moments.

Youre right, Ill quit being a lame ass.

[sleepy jack]

Maybe I'm getting tired of people ragging on Elliott Smith and then turning around giving fellatio to artists like Bon Iver who are nothing more than pitchfork flavors of the month.

[lucifer_sam]

Originally Posted by sleepy jack

Maybe I'm getting tired of people ragging on Elliott Smith and then turning around giving fellatio to artists like Bon Iver who are nothing more than pitchfork flavors of the month.

you really think that's what jackhammer or booboo was saying?

[boo boo]

I'm not ragging on him.

[sleepy jack]

I don't recall any sort of attack on boo boo - he's made comments about people like Nick Drake, Elliott Smith and so on being bad guitarists before and consider his music preferences I think the statement was fair. Reading his post I still don't think he understands gentler music that is more based on subtly then anything else - at least that's what I could derive from the bits that were actually relevant to Smith's particular aesthetic.

And yeah I do think that's what Jackhammer was doing. Seeing as he was one of the people running around and praising Bon Iver I find it hypocritical to come in here and dismiss Elliott Smith the way he did - especially considering the atmosphere and division that surrounds many of his albums and the fact he isn't even widely discussed anymore. He is far from the first artist that pops to mind when I hear the words "overrated."

[boo boo]

I never called Smith a bad guitarist. Drake? Yes.

All I said is that I don't really get much from Smith's playing that goes beyond the usual strummed open chords of other folk singers. He throws in a little more finger picking than most. But it's not like he's Chet Atkins or anything.

Angeles does have some nice finger picking though.

[dac]

Originally Posted by boo boo

I never called Smith a bad guitarist. Drake? Yes.

If you're listening to Nick Drake and Elliot Smith for their guitar work then you've completely missed the point on those two.

[sleepy jack]

Have you even listened to a Elliott Smith album? He does more than just strum and occasionally finger pick when it comes to the guitar - like seriously I don't understand how you can claim to have heard his music and say that. It's like listening to a Beatles album and saying they had some chords and occasionally did some studio tricks but they weren't Brian Wilson or anything.

[boo boo]

Now you're being incredibly defensive.

I'm not calling him a bad or mediocre guitarist, I've complimenting one of his songs, what more do you want?

But really, give me some examples of him doing something other than open chords and finger picking.

[sleepy jack]

Originally Posted by boo boo

Now you're being incredibly defensive.

I'm not calling him a bad or mediocre guitarist, I've complimenting one of his songs, what more do you want?

But really, give me some examples of him doing something other than open chords and finger picking.

Like what? Palm muting? You're asking me to show you him doing more than two incredibly broad techniques (and I mean INCREDIBLY broad) and it really leaves nothing for me to show you aside from like...soloing, vibrato, string skipping, and palm muting and even if I showed you all that (you could find soloing and palm muting in any Heatmiser song, string skipping I guess would be Say Yes and vibrato would be Basement era stuff such as King's Crossing.)

My argument had more to do with his melodies and the complexities of them as opposed to technique; if you listened to his post-XO stuff there's no way you could deny he has an ear for melody and most of that is exhibited on the guitar.