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I tend to agree with Dave. I think it all depends on your personal definition of musician. A creator of such music has to have a knowledge of music theory, song structure, and all those type of things to be considered a musician. Some one can play guitar, piano, drums and not be a musician as well. If you can't tell what an Am or AMaj chord is and yet you make music then your are certainly no musician. Also you have to consider a big part of being a musician is live performances, and lets face it electronic music is not exactly conducive to a enaging live performance one you take out the drugs, light show, and stage antics. I always looked at the definition of musician though as : An artist who plays a musical instrument. So I think this comes down to another threads question of is the computer a musical instrument. edit: On further thought I think making music as such does not necessarily take any knowledge of theory at all. I have a couple friends who know almost nothing about any theory or that could even match a pitch and make some pretty good music with their computers.
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Nae wains, Great Danes.
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I don't take drugs at gigs because I've never tried Ecstasy. Most people do though, loads and loads of it.
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I'm seeing a lot of problems here with what people's definition of musician is so here we go. According to Merriam-Webster, a musician is "a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist." So, technically, they would count. However, I have to lean with Mr. Dave on this one too because I feel as though a musician should have the capacity to perform on the spot for a crowd and in a dynamic setting such as with a band or other musicians... in essence, to jam. Then again, there are weird technologies like the Kaoss pad. I don't really know too much about them but my understanding is that its an outrageous looping and sound modulation device that can be used on the spot. I'm sure someone here can talk a little more about that in terms of whether or not that is an instrument or a computer and whether or not the operator is a musician or a programmer.
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Killed Laura Palmer
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I believe it's the thing of something relatively recent coming out, and those who are purists, for lack of a better word, aren't quite sold on its legitimacy yet.
I'd imagine that people were appalled by the electric guitar in much the same way at some point...the theremin...etc. My opinion on the matter is that if you're creating music, using an instrument (regardless of how complex it is or isn't) you are making music. You can be bad at making electronic music, but I think there's still the possibility of someone being a legitimate prodigy. So, yes, I consider them musicians.
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Hey, I'm not trying to start a war, i just wanted a discussion and people's opinions. Quite frankly, I don't know, actually forget that... I just decided. Pre-paralyzing, I only consider him a musician if he played, whether by himself or to himself in order to compose. More over, I would only call him a composer because that is his job. He apparently made a living via composing, not performing. After becoming paralyzed, he's not a musician but a composer. I probably went back on myself somewhere but I don't care. Merriam Webster is full of it. A composer is one who writes music, a performer is one who plays and a musician does both at once, on the spot typically with other musicians. Good ol' Ludwig Van did both, he is a musician. This guy apparently mostly wrote music, so he is more of a composer. Highschool band students play songs, they're performers. Some do both some do one or the other. I hate evolution debates, keep it just a discussion.
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Here we go... Conclusion: a "computer musician" can be a composer but not a musician. Thats my decision as of now. Unless more can be discovered about that Kaoss pad. That would be they're only hope so I hope someone can tell more about those things.
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Here's a question to all of you:
I play several different traditional instruments, have been in many bands that have played live many times, and I also compose music on a computer, and have been doing so for 13 years. Now, I'm no longer in any bands, I can still play my instruments but I just noodle around here and there, and I still compose music on a computer (which I don't perform at all). Was I a musician, or am I a musician? Here's a different way to ask the same question: An imaginary band called "Poop Chute Rockits" gets very successful playing rock gigs, lands a record contract, and sells music as their career. Suddenly, they flop and break up because the whole world started liking Dubstep and all the members decide to hang their hats because they could never bring themselves to making Dubstep, and would prefer to work 5 to 9s for their coin. To prevent themselves from the urge of creating Dubstep-like arpeggios and drum rolls on their instruments, each member burns their instruments and vows never to play music again. Were they musicians, or are they musicians? What I see is that you really have to define "musician" in a particular way in order to answer either of those questions. In my case, I no longer perform music, nor do I really play my instruments. Does the fact that I have the ability to do so qualify me as a musician, or the act of doing so regularly? Am I a musician because of my inherent abilities? Or do I have to put them to work in order to achieve the title of musician? In Poop Chute Rockits' case, they no longer make a living as musicians, nor do they even play music. They burned all their radios and their favorite records too, in the very same bon fire as the instruments. When music plays at a restaurant, they leave. Are they musicians? If not, well they definitely were, but why aren't they any longer?
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