This is what I heard: Gibson, Fender, Ibanez Argument

vjs2d308 · 06-09-2011, 06:49 PM

Some good points between the two parties.

-Gibson- Baseball Bat Necks
-Fender-"pitchy" noise. The Ugly strat is overpriced, old-timer stuff that should have been left in the 70's.
-Ibanez- Played out "sceney guitar", thin and without subtance, much like their users and the music they play behind. (which is untrue...i know i know)

Haha! now, trying to sift through this highschoolyass conversation I more listened to rather than interacted, which actually took place between two adults(one adult minded at least). What is true, sterotypically, that can be improved about these mainstream guitar brands?

Anything other than whats listed. Please discuss.

Paul Reed Smith?

~~[MERIT]~~ · 06-09-2011, 08:12 PM

Are you looking for recommendations on which brand is the best? Your original post was kind of hard to understand.

duga · 06-09-2011, 08:44 PM

Uhh...I think I understand what you are asking for.

Gibson - Well, really the only flaw is what you listed. I guess the argument can be made that they are ridiculously heavy, but really that is just the Les Paul. I'm a proud owner of an SG and that thing is basically perfect aside from the baseball bat neck.

Fender - Twangy. Too much high end. Some people actually like this, though. You can always do what I did and put in some more aggressive pickups. Stick in some Lace Sensors and you can get a low end that rivals Gibson while keeping the high end (if you want it).

Ibanez - I just straight hate these guitars. The only person who plays one yet keeps my respect is Steve Vai...and even he thought they were a joke. They wanted him to play their guitars so he famously gave them a huge list of ridiculous demands which - to their credit - they actually met. Including a handle. Other than that, these guitars blow.

vjs2d308 · 06-09-2011, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Uhh...I think I understand what you are asking for.

Gibson - Well, really the only flaw is what you listed. I guess the argument can be made that they are ridiculously heavy, but really that is just the Les Paul. I'm a proud owner of an SG and that thing is basically perfect aside from the baseball bat neck.

Fender - Twangy. Too much high end. Some people actually like this, though. You can always do what I did and put in some more aggressive pickups. Stick in some Lace Sensors and you can get a low end that rivals Gibson while keeping the high end (if you want it).

Ibanez - I just straight hate these guitars. The only person who plays one yet keeps my respect is Steve Vai...and even he thought they were a joke. They wanted him to play their guitars so he famously gave them a huge list of ridiculous demands which - to their credit - they actually met. Including a handle. Other than that, these guitars blow.

teh winnarawr!! this is about commonly heard(sorta annoying), non technical stereotypes.

yes, exactly what I was looking for.

See, I was kinda sorta involved in the original exchange that turned into the inspiration for this thread. For the most part, what I wrote at the top of this thread was the general wording of the exchange.

So a level-headed guitarist(sitting next to me). Is now telling me:

B.C. Rich: Is the "Hipster Guitar". The "I love satan" body styling with no regards to the beauty that should be apparent in a stringed instrument. Buying one essentially states that the owner is trying to be "The Ultimate Badass" That is now $170 dollars poorer after buying one. He himself plays an ESP custom shop alexi V, seymour duncan blackouts, light top heavy bottom strings.

I guess in this thread, generalization and stereotypes are a must!!!

GuitarBizarre · 06-10-2011, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by duga

Uhh...I think I understand what you are asking for.

Gibson - Well, really the only flaw is what you listed. I guess the argument can be made that they are ridiculously heavy, but really that is just the Les Paul. I'm a proud owner of an SG and that thing is basically perfect aside from the baseball bat neck.

Um, not really. Glad you like your guitar, but I think you got lucky.

http://www.musicbanter.com/talk-inst...on-guitar.html

Now I love a good guitar no matter who its made by, but Gibson aren't kind of the hill anymore.

On the same token, neither are fender. I know a guy with a £1500 fender fat strat that came with a bridge pickup that wasn't even wired in!

As for ibanez...Their problem isn't quality as such, its that their customer support sucks ass, and getting hold of spare parts is a ****ing nightmare.

ThePhanastasio · 06-10-2011, 10:32 PM

I have tiny hands, so the Gibson neck is completely out of the question for me. That's the beef I have with Gibson. I do think they make great archtop guitars, but I've never really been a fan of Les Paul guitars aesthetically; too clunky. I much prefer their hollow / semi-hollow guitars. And again, that neck.

Fender have some serious issues, but they're very durable and player-friendly instruments. The Stratocaster isn't even remotely the most exciting looking guitar, but they're actually putting out some decent instruments now with noiseless pickups...which is a vast improvement. They also started making Blacktop series instruments which are more aggressive Fender guitars with reasonable price tags, which is pretty dank. I still love Fender, and they're small-hand friendly.

Ibanez...well. I've never been a huge fan, but I don't really play heavier music myself. When they started their Artcore series, I saw those guitars and was pumped. Many people gave them shining reviews, and I almost bought one. Almost. I realized, after playing a buddy's AF75 that they're really not top-of-the-line instruments in the slightest. You're paying for looks with those, pretty much. I will say that fretboard access is definitely superb, but they make some weak hollowbody and semi-hollowbody instruments.

GuitarBizarre · 06-11-2011, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ThePhanastasio

Ibanez...well. I've never been a huge fan, but I don't really play heavier music myself. When they started their Artcore series, I saw those guitars and was pumped. Many people gave them shining reviews, and I almost bought one. Almost. I realized, after playing a buddy's AF75 that they're really not top-of-the-line instruments in the slightest. You're paying for looks with those, pretty much. I will say that fretboard access is definitely superb, but they make some weak hollowbody and semi-hollowbody instruments.

Can't say I agree here. The AK95 in particular jumps out as a very nice hollowbody for the price. The only reason I don't own one is because I went for an epiphone swingster instead, mostly on the basis of the filtertron style pickups for a different style with some jangle.

The RGT series are excellent too, and the RG550 is nigh-on legendary, along with the S540 and so on.

Ibanez make some excellent instruments in every area, they really do. I don't think thats up for question. What is up for question is whether their design decisions make sense for the consumer. As great as the edge and ZR and Edge Pro trems are, Ibanez haven't endeared themselves to traditionalists by insisting on using proprietary hardware, and subsequently making their stuff difficult to customise or get replacement parts for. Need a new trem arm holder for an Edge Zero? BUY A NEW TREM, SPARE PARTS NOT SOLD.

Howard the Duck · 06-11-2011, 09:24 AM

i own an Ibanez, it's not really sceney or wankey-shreddy

it's versatile - the 2 humbuckers and single coil in their 6 different configurations allows me to get great tones for funk, blues, metal, jazz and country

Gibson and Fenders doesn't come with locking trems - i'm a crazy divebomber

and which guitar producer makes such slim necks and short frets?

Ibanez ALL the way, dudes and dudettes

vjs2d308 · 06-11-2011, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Il Duce

i own an Ibanez, it's not really sceney or wankey-shreddy

it's versatile - the 2 humbuckers and single coil in their 6 different configurations allows me to get great tones for funk, blues, metal, jazz and country

Gibson and Fenders doesn't come with locking trems - i'm a crazy divebomber

and which guitar producer makes such slim necks and short frets?

Ibanez ALL the way, dudes and dudettes

See.

This is a point that the guy talking to me brought up. It's actually what started the whole thing.

He sent me a link of a truely purrrrty guitar. And it was an Ibanez.

He swears by them.

~~[MERIT]~~ · 06-11-2011, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjs2d308

See.

This is a point that the guy talking to me brought up. It's actually what started the whole thing.

He sent me a link of a truely purrrrty guitar. And it was an Ibanez.

He swears by them.

My only experience with Ibanez was a few bass guitars that I owned back in high school (a 4 string and a 5 string). They seemed pretty cheaply made, and the sound quality wasn't they best, but it was good bang for your buck, which seems to be the selling point for most Ibanez products (good price point rather than quality).

06-09-2011, 06:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
vjs2d308 Groupie Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 18	This is what I heard: Gibson, Fender, Ibanez Argument Some good points between the two parties. -Gibson- Baseball Bat Necks -Fender-"pitchy" noise. The Ugly strat is overpriced, old-timer stuff that should have been left in the 70's. -Ibanez- Played out "sceney guitar", thin and without subtance, much like their users and the music they play behind. (which is untrue...i know i know) Haha! now, trying to sift through this highschoolyass conversation I more listened to rather than interacted, which actually took place between two adults(one adult minded at least). What is true, sterotypically, that can be improved about these mainstream guitar brands? Anything other than whats listed. Please discuss. Paul Reed Smith?

06-09-2011, 08:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	Uhh...I think I understand what you are asking for. Gibson - Well, really the only flaw is what you listed. I guess the argument can be made that they are ridiculously heavy, but really that is just the Les Paul. I'm a proud owner of an SG and that thing is basically perfect aside from the baseball bat neck. Fender - Twangy. Too much high end. Some people actually like this, though. You can always do what I did and put in some more aggressive pickups. Stick in some Lace Sensors and you can get a low end that rivals Gibson while keeping the high end (if you want it). Ibanez - I just straight hate these guitars. The only person who plays one yet keeps my respect is Steve Vai...and even he thought they were a joke. They wanted him to play their guitars so he famously gave them a huge list of ridiculous demands which - to their credit - they actually met. Including a handle. Other than that, these guitars blow. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...

06-10-2011, 10:32 PM	#6 (permalink)
ThePhanastasio Killed Laura Palmer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Ashland, KY Posts: 1,679	I have tiny hands, so the Gibson neck is completely out of the question for me. That's the beef I have with Gibson. I do think they make great archtop guitars, but I've never really been a fan of Les Paul guitars aesthetically; too clunky. I much prefer their hollow / semi-hollow guitars. And again, that neck. Fender have some serious issues, but they're very durable and player-friendly instruments. The Stratocaster isn't even remotely the most exciting looking guitar, but they're actually putting out some decent instruments now with noiseless pickups...which is a vast improvement. They also started making Blacktop series instruments which are more aggressive Fender guitars with reasonable price tags, which is pretty dank. I still love Fender, and they're small-hand friendly. Ibanez...well. I've never been a huge fan, but I don't really play heavier music myself. When they started their Artcore series, I saw those guitars and was pumped. Many people gave them shining reviews, and I almost bought one. Almost. I realized, after playing a buddy's AF75 that they're really not top-of-the-line instruments in the slightest. You're paying for looks with those, pretty much. I will say that fretboard access is definitely superb, but they make some weak hollowbody and semi-hollowbody instruments. __________________ Phish: Studio Discography Reviewed 100 Albums I Heartily Recommend My last.fm It's a hand-me-down, the thoughts are broken Perhaps they're better left unsung

06-09-2011, 08:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
~~[MERIT]~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 4,814	Are you looking for recommendations on which brand is the best? Your original post was kind of hard to understand.