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JakeDTH 10-09-2010 05:17 AM

Simple Capo question
 
Hello,

If I tune my guitar to D# and put a Capo on the first fret, would I then be playing in standard tuning?

Sorry to ask such a simple thing, I would just try, but I don't have a Capo.

Thanks in advance.

GuitarBizarre 10-09-2010 08:15 AM

Yes you're correct, although why you would do that is somewhat a mystery.

JakeDTH 10-10-2010 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 940852)
Yes you're correct, although why you would do that is somewhat a mystery.

Thanks, I'll buy a capo then. And well, I have some songs in standard, some in D#, some in drop D, and some in drop C#. I don't have four guitars, so for live performances I'd like to have one guitar in D# and capo it for some songs to get standard and another guitar in drop C# and capo it for some songs to get drop D.

mr dave 10-10-2010 04:20 PM

one point of clarification that needs to be made.

there's a difference between dropped-D and tuned down to D.

a 'dropped-X' tuning is implied for the low-E string only. hence 'dropped D' is DADGBE, same as standard only the low E is dropped to D to make playing power chords simpler (becomes a 1 finger thing). tuning down to D is when all strings drop a full step, or DGCFAD.

if you're doing tunes like Spoonman (which needs dropped D) then a capo is not at all going to address your issue (but a pedal tuner would).

JakeDTH 10-10-2010 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 941277)
one point of clarification that needs to be made.

there's a difference between dropped-D and tuned down to D.

a 'dropped-X' tuning is implied for the low-E string only. hence 'dropped D' is DADGBE, same as standard only the low E is dropped to D to make playing power chords simpler (becomes a 1 finger thing). tuning down to D is when all strings drop a full step, or DGCFAD.

if you're doing tunes like Spoonman (which needs dropped D) then a capo is not at all going to address your issue (but a pedal tuner would).

Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the names of the tunings I'm expecting to play in:

Standard - E-A-D-G-B-E
Dropped D - D-A-D-G-B-E
D# (Eb) - D#-G#-C#-F#-A#-D# (Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb)
Dropped C# (Dropped Db) - C#-G#-C#-F#-A#-D# (Db-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb)

So I think placing a capo on the first fret of a guitar in D# would bring it back to standard. And placing a capo on the first fret of a guitar in Dropped C# would bring it back to Dropped D. And of course everything has to be played a fret down.

Am I correct? I am kind of confused.

Freebase Dali 10-10-2010 09:49 PM

Drop C is Drop D tuned a full step down, so you can switch between those tunings simply by being in drop C natural and capoing at the second fret for Drop D.

D#/Eb is standard tuned a half step down, so you can tune to D# natural and capo at the first fret for standard.

Drop D is standard with ONLY the low string dropped a full step down to D. (You can see why this is a problem...)

The missing link here is moving up from Drop D/C to D# or standard, since the low string needs to come up a half step or a whole step respectively, independent of the rest of the strings. This is an easy solution, but it can't be done with a standard capo. You WILL have to manually tune the low string between drop C/D and Standard/D#. But you can make it easy on yourself by capoing 5 strings for Standard and D# and manually changing the low string.

This is probably confusing you more, but you need to understand that drop D changes one string from standard (and drop C is a whole step transposition down from that), and D# is simply a transposition from Standard. It's why you have to manually tune the low string between drop D/C tunings and D#/Standard tunings. Capos will make this a lot easier on you if you simply tune to the lowest tuning (Drop C) and full capo between that and drop D... and when you're ready to switch to E# and Standard, you capo on 5 higher strings the respective number of frets and manually tune the low string. It's really the simplest way, unless you know of a single-string capo to use with the other one.

mr dave 10-10-2010 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeDTH (Post 941321)
Correct me if I'm wrong, these are the names of the tunings I'm expecting to play in:

Standard - E-A-D-G-B-E
Dropped D - D-A-D-G-B-E
D# (Eb) - D#-G#-C#-F#-A#-D# (Eb-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb)
Dropped C# (Dropped Db) - C#-G#-C#-F#-A#-D# (Db-Ab-Db-Gb-Bb-Eb)

So I think placing a capo on the first fret of a guitar in D# would bring it back to standard. And placing a capo on the first fret of a guitar in Dropped C# would bring it back to Dropped D. And of course everything has to be played a fret down.

Am I correct? I am kind of confused.

that's spot on. though personally i call the third one Eb, but that's just splitting hairs.

JakeDTH 10-11-2010 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 941371)
Drop C is Drop D tuned a full step down, so you can switch between those tunings simply by being in drop C natural and capoing at the second fret for Drop D.

D#/Eb is standard tuned a half step down, so you can tune to D# natural and capo at the first fret for standard.

Drop D is standard with ONLY the low string dropped a full step down to D. (You can see why this is a problem...)

The missing link here is moving up from Drop D/C to D# or standard, since the low string needs to come up a half step or a whole step respectively, independent of the rest of the strings. This is an easy solution, but it can't be done with a standard capo. You WILL have to manually tune the low string between drop C/D and Standard/D#. But you can make it easy on yourself by capoing 5 strings for Standard and D# and manually changing the low string.

This is probably confusing you more, but you need to understand that drop D changes one string from standard (and drop C is a whole step transposition down from that), and D# is simply a transposition from Standard. It's why you have to manually tune the low string between drop D/C tunings and D#/Standard tunings. Capos will make this a lot easier on you if you simply tune to the lowest tuning (Drop C) and full capo between that and drop D... and when you're ready to switch to E# and Standard, you capo on 5 higher strings the respective number of frets and manually tune the low string. It's really the simplest way, unless you know of a single-string capo to use with the other one.

I wasn't really intending to use a capo to go from a dropped tuning to a standard one, I know that going from drop C# to standard would be very hard, if not impossible for me. Just a capo on and off the first fret on both guitars, one in D# and one in drop C#.

JakeDTH 10-11-2010 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by mr dave (Post 941390)
that's spot on. though personally i call the third one Eb, but that's just splitting hairs.

I started calling Eb D# because whenever I told people the tuning I'd say "it's E flat" and they would get this weird look on their faces like a "so you're playing out of tune?" But whenever I said "it's D sharp" people would react like "so D but slightly higher, interesting", it's weird but that's why I call it D# now.

Freebase Dali 10-11-2010 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeDTH (Post 941402)
I wasn't really intending to use a capo to go from a dropped tuning to a standard one, I know that going from drop C# to standard would be very hard, if not impossible for me. Just a capo on and off the first fret on both guitars, one in D# and one in drop C#.

Uh.. not hard, nowhere near impossible. But I'm wondering why you posted here in the first place... What you're saying you already know already answers any questions you've had then.

Am I missing something?
Please don't be wasting our time.

JakeDTH 10-11-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DJPuffyLemon (Post 941344)
What you're saying is correct, I think there was just some misunderstanding regarding which guitars are capoed for which purpose. So capoing D# would bring it to E, and capoing dropped C# would bring it to dropped D, which you said, and which would work.

Cool, cool. Thanks for the confirmation. I hope I can find a capo that works nice with 11/12 gauge strings.

JakeDTH 10-11-2010 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 941406)
Uh.. not hard, nowhere near impossible. But I'm wondering why you posted here in the first place... What you're saying you already know already answers any questions you've had then.

Am I missing something?
Please don't be wasting our time.

I was just clarifying, I've never owned a capo. And I didn't know the things I do now when I posted the question, I've done a bit of research into it now, but most of the examples given were for tunings I've never used and aren't interested in using. So I still needed clarification.

I don't mean to waste time.

mr dave 10-11-2010 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeDTH (Post 941405)
I started calling Eb D# because whenever I told people the tuning I'd say "it's E flat" and they would get this weird look on their faces like a "so you're playing out of tune?" But whenever I said "it's D sharp" people would react like "so D but slightly higher, interesting", it's weird but that's why I call it D# now.

it's all good haha like the difference between to-may-to and to-mah-to so long as everyone is on the same page it doesn't matter what font the information is written in.

Dr_Rez 10-14-2010 04:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JakeDTH (Post 941405)
I started calling Eb D# because whenever I told people the tuning I'd say "it's E flat" and they would get this weird look on their faces like a "so you're playing out of tune?" But whenever I said "it's D sharp" people would react like "so D but slightly higher, interesting", it's weird but that's why I call it D# now.

I think most people call it Eb. Its not uncommon. SRV and Hendrix both used it a lot. I cant name them all but I know many prominent blues guitarists also used it because it gave them a little more lower end.

Fred Lewis 10-30-2010 10:12 PM

That is weird why that would confuse people, I always though going down was flat, up was sharp.

If I work with female artists that play in a lot of strange keys I will detune to Eb to make my life easier, also the bluegrass concept of capo on 2 and play A as a G shape gives a lot of punch to the guitar


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