GuitarBizarre

A simple google search for that serial number reveals a jemsite and ibanezcollectors thread discussing its status as a known fake serial, used on large numbers of fake chinese Ibanez guitars.

http://www.jemsite.com/forums/showpo...16&postcount=8
Ibanez Collectors World

Seems my assumptions were correct. You don't have a Japanese or even Korean guitar, its chinese and the reason it isn't playing like a £2k guitar is because its more like a £100/200 one.

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Sodacake

Good thing I didn't buy it then, isn't it? And my opinion on the Ibanez solid body electric series isn't based solely on this guitar. I have played many of them (RG Series, SA/S Series, etc) but I just prefer the Artcore series for some reason.

GuitarBizarre

preference is fine, i know the metal guitars aren't for everyone. I've never bagged on Dave for loving his fenders or anything like that, its just you tend to actively discourage people based on your own and you do so by stating your opinion as if its an incontrovertible fact rather than accepting the preferences of other players as valid.

If you had reasonable evidence then that would be fine, but as we've just seen, you were in fact mistaken on the one piece of hard evidence you presented, seeing as the thing you used initially and most prominently (And quite bitterly in fact) to back your opinion of ibanez as a company wasn't ibanez in the slightest.

You were also mistaken on a number of other bits of information I corrected previously, such as the USA custom shop. I'm aware I'm the resident Ibanez freak, and I'm aware I have a dislike of gibson to match (Although backed up by considerable evidence), but I'm more than willing to accept a better guitar for someone is a better guitar, such as in the case of daves love for fenders and matons which I would never play myself. i'm just trying to broaden the scope of this guys search because I know that a lot of traditional guitar companys offer the tone but not the ergonomics, and ibanez have tended to offer both to me.

Now can we check this and leave it at the door? You have almost a latent hostility towards ibanez purely because you aren't enamoured with their guitars, and by proxy towards me for defneding them as a company who are very good at offering specific things to specific people.

I don't come to this forum to engage in arguments about personal preference with someone less informed on the subject at hand than myself, and who is clearly pushing an agenda all their own rather than actually trying to help. We've derailed this thread long enough purely for the sake of me clearing the air of a few pieces of misinformation.

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Sodacake

I wasn't trying to start any kind argument with you. I admit i was wrong about my particular "Ibanez" and obviously they have fooled other people so it's not incredibly surprising that I was. All I said was that I liked the Ibanez Artcore series more than the solid body series. You're the one who turned this into something between you and I. Not me.

KelticKalamity

He just got one bad one so he posted against Gibson due to bitterness

Most Gibsons are very nice and well-made. My band's guitarist has one as well as a distant relative.

However, I recommend testing out an Epiphone Les Paul before you spend a ton of money.

You can get one for around 400-500 dollars and then spend a little extra for some humbuckers or whatever pickups you want.

That's my two cents

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GuitarBizarre

How very presumptuous of you, who has 2 posts, and joined this month. I assume you know everything about me now, based on one negative comment towards Gibson?

However, you're wrong. I've never owned a Gibson. Know why? Because I've played enough of them to determine that their quality control is WAY below the Pricing. That includes my uncles, a friend who owned 2, and over a decade of hanging around in guitar shops trying whatever took my fancy.

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KelticKalamity

Oh great, another uppity forum boy who judges people based on post count.

Don't condescend to me just because this is my first time on THIS particular music forum.

Yes, they're a bit overpriced, but my point still remains valid. If they weren't well-made, they wouldn't have any business, would they?

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GuitarBizarre

No, I'm judging you based on the fact you've been here a very short length of time, and haven't engaged in the community long enough to have any clue who I am or why I think what I think. Despite this you still felt yourself more than well enough informed to make assumptions on why I hold the opinion I just stated.

As for 'a bit overpriced', I mentioned I've played more than a few Gibsons. The Les Paul Studios my friend owned (Price near to a thousand pounds on GAK) were absolutely destroyed on all levels by not only my S2170FW (£799) but also in terms of playability and features, were beaten out by an RGT42DXFM (£439) another friend had recently purchased. It was also handily beaten by the Epiphone Zakk Wylde Signature a friend named Tim was very fond of playing at the time. (£599)

Thats not 'a little overpriced', thats just price gouging. The ONLY reason they can get away with it is because they're Gibson, and they have a reputation so HUGELY undeserved, that even non-guitarists are aware of them as a company, and as such they sell a huge amount of guitars to people who will either never play, or will never assume anything better is out there, and so will be happy with the medicre performance of their Gibsons, because they never see any need to upgrade to anything except another Gibson model.

And lets not even BEGIN to consider their more 'upmarket' guitars, like the GOTM series or the multitude of £4000+ models whose differences are largely cosmetic over the lower end models.


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mr dave

actually if a new brand came out and started trying to sell electric guitars at gibson's prices with their current quality control they'd be laughed off the walls. not just by shredders either (i can't comment on their acoustics). gibson is surviving by name at the moment and i won't be surprised to see them ending up like fender after saturating the market with too much product and having to drop the prices on their name line.

the last time i checked out entry level gibsons they were nasty looking. if they can't get something as basic as the paint job right then i'm not confident in their ability to get anything more complicated right. doesn't change the fact that a '74 les paul is still BY FAR the most amazing guitar i've ever tried.

like you said, epiphones are just as nice and with an upgrade can sound just as good as a classic. except you can take home two or three for the price of a gibson.

either way, love them, hate them, play them, ignore them, it makes no real difference, a musician's sound has always and will always come from their heart.

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GuitarBizarre

And what Dave said.

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