Bridge intonation

GuitarBizarre · 09-26-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RockGuitar101

I would say you're greatly missleading people here.
You want everyone to think you're a mr know it all.
If they want to fall for that so be it.
But if the frets on cheap guitars are offset, it will cause the guitar to play out of tonation plain and simple. Guitar necks get miscut even when top CNC digital equipment is used time, and companies try and pull a fast one by sneaking it by. They don't want to loose a sale and the cost of the guitar. It happens all the time.
It's real easy for frets to be too high, or miscut during production. I guess you understand very little about the building of modern guitars my friend.

You just told someone to tune their guitars intonation entirely by ear. Your opinions from that point on were invalid to me because nobody has hearing that perfect, even those with perfect pitch.

As for 'the building of modern guitars' and so on, I probably have forgotten more about the various differences between guitars, both handbuilt and CNC cut, by many different processes than you have ever known. Not that that had ANYTHING to do with intonation AT THE BRIDGE anyway. From Carvins fully CNC fret presses, the various different methods of radiusing a fretboard or even compount radiusing. The use of Hide glues, all manner of guitar hardware from boutique pickups, dimarzio patents, scatterwinding active preamps midi systems peizo systems the effects of chambering and different body woods, exotic instruments and even crazy creations like the Tueffel Birdfish. I have done my research and know what I am talking about. When I do not know, I will happily discuss and make conjecture but I will NEVER say I know what I do not.

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GuitarBizarre · 09-26-2008, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockGuitar101

I hate to say this but measure your guitar neck length, find the scales online. And see if yours was built off scale even slightly.The liklihood of this happening is in the thousands or even millions to one. I have only ever heard of two seperate incidents of misbuilt necks or misplaced frets in my life, and thats from the internet at large, in total.

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Also hows your hearing? maybe your adjusting it off key?
Off key? Just so you know, off key refers to playing a group of unrelated notes over another group of notes, as opposed to what is traditional, which is to play related notes and achieve a pleasing sound. While off key can be used to great effect, it will still be in tune in its own scale. Playing a Gb major scale over a piece in G major would be out of key. However the notes of the Gb Major would still be exactly the same pitches. Key is the RELATIONSHIPS between notes that create musical context.

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Also If you trust string tuners they are never perfect.No, they aren't. They ARE however much more accurate than the human ear, with good units being able to give tuning accuracy to within fractions of a cent.

On the other hand, its a strage fact that on any plucked instrument, the string is sharp momentarily after being plucked. Once the note settles into normal vibration is when the tuner will be accurate. pluck, let settle, tune. Always tune ascending not descending, to avoid binding of the string on the capstan or nut.

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Learn to adjust your sound of the strings by ear.Assuming you're still even halfway talking about intonation by this point, this is flat stupid. The average human ear of even a well trained musicians ear cannot detect a pitch change or variance small enough to confirm accurate intonation on the level of any half decent electronic tuners.

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Also if your frets are higher than normal around the 12th fret,cheaper guitars are built this way many times,companies figure your never going to play this high anyways.......but...if your frets are too high then your string can be off tune when you press down on the 12th fret. did you know that even on the best guitars, the harder you press down on a string on the fret the more you warp the sound?The height of the fret wouldn't have this effect, the position of the fret would. Also, the action of the guitar has more effect on this. As you bring the string down from its neutral position it stretchs and thus pitch becomes higher. a lower action will help with this. And while you can technically change the pitch of a note by pressing harder, its more likely its being pulled to one side. This can be solved very simply by playing with a lighter touch, which is something most if not all skilled musicians are easily capable of, because even with jumbo frets it takes a bit of pressure to do that that isn't encountered in standard playing situations. Scalloped frets do make it easier, but very few guitars have scallops and even fewer players who have scalloped frets play with a hard touch. Case in point? Yngwie malmsteen.

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try press your low bass E string at the 3rd fret as you would normally, then press it as hard down as you can, the sound will wrap some, this is most noticable on heavier strings, but it happens also on higher strings. If this is what is happening have some one at a shop file down the last fret or 2 . but don't do it yourself.Again, go look up scalloping. According to your ****ed up theory, the way scalloping works would make every guitar on earth unplayably out of tune. Obviously, this is not the case, as Yngwie, Ritchie blackmore, and many others will attest. Also, if his intonation is out because his guitar needs fretwork, then it would be out due to the flat crown of the fret, after being worn down from its rounded shape, is very slightly changing the point of vibration. A fret crown and setup will solve this but frankly I have never seen a guitar in my LIFE with frets worn down to the point of a noticable difference in intonation.

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I have been repairing my own guitars for years and building guitars.And I hope to god they've only gone to you, and you never play in public, because if this is your understanding of guitar setups and technology, then it must sound terrible. Oh, and by the way, buying a prebuilt set of parts and building it is not 'building a guitar'. A monkey could do it blindfolded and set it up tolerably with not much more effort.

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This is a common problem.Not the way you've described it it isnt.

As I said before. I believe that you, RockGuitar101, are an absolute fool who has not even the faintest clue of what you're talking about. Its either that or you're a surprisingly malicious troll, and frankly whichever it is you should be banned for spamming the forum with incorrect and potentially harmful information.
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TheCaster · 09-28-2008, 11:14 PM

*looks at above post*

you just raped his metaphorical ass with the barrel of a shotgun

GuitarBizarre · 09-29-2008, 10:04 AM

I must admit I was kind of hoping for him to give me some kind of smartass reply, so i looked up his posts. He's logged in at least twice since I posted that...but for some reason he hasn't elected to show us exactly how wrong I am because he apparently knows everything.

I wonder why?

mr dave · 09-29-2008, 01:42 PM

i think RG101 was more of a troll / spammer. he was posting like mad on his first day (all baseless generalizations and BS) until one of the mods removed the link from his sig, i wouldn't hold my breath for a reply.

GuitarBizarre · 10-02-2008, 12:30 PM

Well he's made about 40 or so posts since you posted that...he's just avoiding the verbal schooling I gave him here if anything.

mr dave · 10-02-2008, 01:42 PM

fair enough. although it seems he's only focusing on his power trip thread that has someone generated a bunch of money for him.

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