PROGRAMMING / SEQUENCING - are thet really music making? (electronic, drum)

spook · 01-24-2008, 06:19 AM

Noticed in another thread about what instruments folk played that a few said "Sequencing" or "Programming".

To me that's not playing an instrument, or making music, it's something a mentally-challenged chimp could do, there's no soul or feel involved, and all the patterns are generally set in stone once done

Thought I'd stir the pot and see what those of us who play REAL instruments, and strive every day to get better at what we do think.

dert_stylus · 01-24-2008, 01:45 PM

I am a bass Player and I also do Programming. Unless you have a chimp with a degree from Harvard , programming is a bit difficult. Would I rather play bass? yes, but I wouldn't give up programming.

blachalaheebow · 01-25-2008, 05:10 PM

I dont see why anyone would rather sit down at a computer or whatever and digitally "assemble" music, which I would think is no fun at all, than play an instrument and make REAL music, and gain REAL musical talent, which is definitley fun. I play four intruments, and have been involved in REAL music for over eight years ( im only 14), and I would take the bassists and guitarists over the computer technitians anytime.

GuitarBizarre · 01-26-2008, 01:56 PM

You can do thousands of thigs that are physically impossible, manipulate sound to an unheard of degree with almost unlimited flexibility, and all you're worried about is if its 'really music'?

I think your priorities are out of whack if the most important thing to you isn't the sound you're making. Try making a piece of music sound like The OCRemix Mario Paint Remix 'Intense color' on a 'real' instrument.

Then listen carefully to that piece of music and tell me its not well made.

And dont claim the 'remix' argument either. That remix is almost in a world of its own compared to the original.

Besides. Just because something is music doesnt mean it needs musicians. Many composers, for example Yoko Kanno, who is almost unnaturally talented, has composed many pieces of beautiful music while not playing a single instrument beyond her keyboard, and so have many others.

Hell, Joe Satriani wrote the song 'Midnight' on nothing but A blank stave. He didn't even have his guitar with him at the time. He had to learn to play that song AFTER it was finished.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 01-26-2008, 02:08 PM

I find most people who complain about electronic music isn't 'real' still wish it was the 70s and bands like Led Zeppelin were still around.

GuitarBizarre · 01-26-2008, 02:13 PM

Bands like Led Zeppelin ARE still around. They're just filled with idiots or wrinkly old men who have nothing to add to the musical world whatsoever except old rehashes of things.

Shannon · 01-30-2008, 01:14 AM

How is music made on a computer not real music? ._.

I personally don't have enough money for a drum set or a saxophone or the plethora of instruments I'm able to use while creating music on a computer. ._.

I only have an electric guitar and a keyboard for real.

I can use every instrument on computers, and it sounds real sop what's the problem?

It's perfectly playable with real instruments anyway.

TheCaster · 02-03-2008, 10:36 PM

the second you can add the emotion jimmy page can put into his guitar into a programming riff then its music... considering thats impossible... pushing buttons isnt makign music

cardboard adolescent · 02-03-2008, 10:44 PM

i guess you should tell that to all great pianists... moron

sleepy jack · 02-03-2008, 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

I find most people who complain about electronic music isn't 'real' still wish it was the 70s and bands like Led Zeppelin were still around.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCaster

the second you can add the emotion jimmy page can put into his guitar into a programming riff then its music... considering thats impossible... pushing buttons isnt makign music

I lol'd

01-24-2008, 06:19 AM	#1 (permalink)
spook Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 78	PROGRAMMING / SEQUENCING - are thet really music making? Noticed in another thread about what instruments folk played that a few said "Sequencing" or "Programming". To me that's not playing an instrument, or making music, it's something a mentally-challenged chimp could do, there's no soul or feel involved, and all the patterns are generally set in stone once done Thought I'd stir the pot and see what those of us who play REAL instruments, and strive every day to get better at what we do think. __________________ It seems that lately, everybody's crying in their beer - I know that only the good die young - That's why I'm still here!

01-24-2008, 01:45 PM	#2 (permalink)
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01-26-2008, 01:56 PM	#4 (permalink)
GuitarBizarre D-D-D-D-D-DROP THE BASS! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,730	You can do thousands of thigs that are physically impossible, manipulate sound to an unheard of degree with almost unlimited flexibility, and all you're worried about is if its 'really music'? I think your priorities are out of whack if the most important thing to you isn't the sound you're making. Try making a piece of music sound like The OCRemix Mario Paint Remix 'Intense color' on a 'real' instrument. Then listen carefully to that piece of music and tell me its not well made. And dont claim the 'remix' argument either. That remix is almost in a world of its own compared to the original. Besides. Just because something is music doesnt mean it needs musicians. Many composers, for example Yoko Kanno, who is almost unnaturally talented, has composed many pieces of beautiful music while not playing a single instrument beyond her keyboard, and so have many others. Hell, Joe Satriani wrote the song 'Midnight' on nothing but A blank stave. He didn't even have his guitar with him at the time. He had to learn to play that song AFTER it was finished. Last edited by GuitarBizarre; 07-18-2008 at 06:16 PM.

01-26-2008, 02:08 PM	#5 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I find most people who complain about electronic music isn't 'real' still wish it was the 70s and bands like Led Zeppelin were still around. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

02-03-2008, 10:36 PM	#8 (permalink)
TheCaster Music Rapist Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Somewhere in the U.S Posts: 400	the second you can add the emotion jimmy page can put into his guitar into a programming riff then its music... considering thats impossible... pushing buttons isnt makign music __________________ A soul in tension thats learning to fly Condition grounded but determined to try Cant keep my eyes from the circling skies Tongue-tied and twisted just an earth-bound misfit

01-25-2008, 05:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
blachalaheebow Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 72	I dont see why anyone would rather sit down at a computer or whatever and digitally "assemble" music, which I would think is no fun at all, than play an instrument and make REAL music, and gain REAL musical talent, which is definitley fun. I play four intruments, and have been involved in REAL music for over eight years ( im only 14), and I would take the bassists and guitarists over the computer technitians anytime.

01-26-2008, 02:13 PM	#6 (permalink)
GuitarBizarre D-D-D-D-D-DROP THE BASS! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,730	Bands like Led Zeppelin ARE still around. They're just filled with idiots or wrinkly old men who have nothing to add to the musical world whatsoever except old rehashes of things.

01-30-2008, 01:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Shannon Groupie Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 13	How is music made on a computer not real music? ._. I personally don't have enough money for a drum set or a saxophone or the plethora of instruments I'm able to use while creating music on a computer. ._. I only have an electric guitar and a keyboard for real. I can use every instrument on computers, and it sounds real sop what's the problem? It's perfectly playable with real instruments anyway.

02-03-2008, 10:44 PM	#9 (permalink)
cardboard adolescent ;) Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: CA Posts: 3,503	i guess you should tell that to all great pianists... moron