ProggyMan

Caster, you sound like the people who got pissed because Elvis shook his hips on stage.

TheCaster

eh hehe....

pianists can add emotion to thier music..

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ProggyMan

He was making a point about what you said about button pushing. Why can't someone on a computer 'inject emotion' into their songs by pushing buttons?

cardboard adolescent

and yet... all they do is press buttons! they use these buttons to affect the volume, attack, decay, and pitch of the sound being generated... which makes the piano just another machine no different from a computer. similarly, on the computer, people change a sounds' properties and juxtapose it with other sounds to evoke emotion. and all without having to pretend yo momma just died

ProggyMan

And anyhow, while I won't get into a debate over this, 'emotion' can be anything. Take Dream Theater. Most of you say their music is lifeless and alientating. To some people that represents an emotional state.

cardboard adolescent

The emotions I generally associate with Dream Theatre-- mild annoyance, frustration, boredom....

ProggyMan

I was just making the point that Slipknot represents the height of emotional expression for a lot of people.

TheCaster

okay fine... i dislike it and prefer when people do things thereselves... i dont think real music making can be learned in a class... it has to be experimental and whatnot... if we completely revert to programming wont it keep us to learn things such as finger tapping or natural harmonics?

i guess some could call it music making i just highly dislike it

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Seltzer

I just thought I'd point out that I find it amusing that someone with an AC/DC avatar is talking about how music has to be experimental.

Don't worry, I know what you mean by 'experimental', but I don't see the link between programming/sequencing and music making being confined to a class... or how programming/sequencing can't be experimental.

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GuitarBizarre

Brian Eno, Robert Fripp, The Mars Volta, thousands of OCremix tracks, etc.


All of them make extensive use of the technologies you are espousing as emotionless and lifeless.

I will put this bluntly.




If you still think this, you have obviously not got a clue what you are talking about. If you spend enough time tweaking parameters that need tweaking, you can recreate any sound on earth and plenty that aren't without ever touching anything except a QWERTY layout and a mouse.

Its not like you're just sitting there pressing buttons and music comes out. Take a course in music technology and listen to some of the synthesised orchestral remixes on OCRemix and you will have a far better idea of how much musical knowledge it takes to synthesize a part above and beyond the generic synthesized beeps (And some of those are pretty damned complicated and require a thorough knowledge of waverforms filtering and modulation besides)


And all of that before you even take into account variations in instrument technique (overblow, palm muting, pinch harmonics) or any note placement.