Exactly, thank you for making my point, thebassistx, a lot coming from a bassist.

What do you call someone who hangs around with musicians?
 

. . . a drummer!
(Sorry . . . just couldn't believe no-one else had posted it yet)

"2- A way to impress girls lol" . . . WHERE did you get that idea from?
Most girls are more into the pretty lead singer / guitarist than that sweaty maniac hidden behind him. And I'm not sure it was a part of the motivation for (say) Maureen Tucker or Sheila E to pick up the sticks either . . .

Drums are still way cool. First instrument of shamanism, still the one that really makes you dance and trance. And it's pointless arguing if they're a musical instrument or not - much like disputing whether black and white are really colours: maybe they ain't, but you're f***ed trying to paint anything without them.

Sandy Nelson and John Bonham. It's all cool.

(Jaki Liebezeit is God's drum machine)

"keep banging the rocks together guys"

Dude are you serious, the guy who said you hit them as hard as you can go crazy, if you hit them as hard as you can being uncoordinated its a horrible noise!! have you ever tried playing a beat that sounds good its not going crazy it acctually gets really hard most things to make it osund good is softer so dude your full of crap going crazy you also need speed which if you can't right with both hands and kick with both feet is really ahrd.

well, of course the drummer should have great timing, okay, having said that, then it's all about hitting the drums as powerful as possible, at least in the kind of music I play. A limp hitting drummer won't cut it. Yes, timiing is important, but so is hitting those suckers as hard as you can, with as much power as you can. Playing with an easy touch is great for a lounge act. In my music, you have to slam them babies, nothing less is acceptable. volume and power.

20 years later, most drummers have gone crazy from hitting these objects as hard as possible, all in an effort to make as loud a noise as possible.

It's called hearing loss, not going crazy.

Holding a solid groove IS important, but there is also a little thing called dynamics. You will get nowhere as a musician without playing dynamically.

uh whats ur point? lol i though this was about if the drums was an instrument or not also drums can play dynamically as well~

I'm not going to join the argument of whether drums are an instrument or not. Anyone with a rock for a brain knows that the drums are a musical instrument. I'm simply commenting on ShadowSurfer's logic.