The English Football Thread

[Cuthbert]

Rooney's international career summed up by the Monkey:

2004 - Great tournament, exceeded expectations, had Rio not missed his drug test and Rooney avoided the injury vs Portugal we would have won this competition in my opinion. 8.5/10

2006 - He gets a pass here because he came into the tournament off the back of the metatarsal injury. Did not score. Sent off for a silly stamp/push but players are allowed to make mistakes. 4/10.

2008 - Failed to even qualify, he has to take some of the blame as one of the players but not really down to him this one, it was the manager's fault. Can't rate this one.

2010 - Off the back of the greatest season of his career and really stepped up after Ronaldo had left for Real Madrid. Whether the cortisone injections and off field shenanigans affected his fitness or not, this was an appalling tournament and had he not had a go at the fans after the Algeria game I wouldn't have even known he played in it. 0/10.

2012 - Does not get a pass here as he was banned for three matches initially for kicking an opponent away in Montenegro in the qualifiers, reduced to two on appeal, so he started the last group match. His contributions here included a tap in header vs Ukraine in the final group match (1-0 win), a scored penalty in the knockout and a failed overhead kick right at the end of normal time vs Italy. 4/10.

2014 - According to him if he failed again to really make a mark here he would have nobody to blame but himself. Provided a decent assist for Sturridge vs Italy (lost 2-1) and scored a tap in vs Uruguay (lost 2-1). Out in the group stages and I can't even remember what happened in the Costa Rica match. I am giving him an average score here because a goal and an assist is about right for the number of games played and I wouldn't really say this poor performance was his fault entirely. 5/10.

2016 - Scored a penalty vs Iceland. Didn't do anything else. Probably England's worst ever result in our 150 year history. 1/10.

So those are my thoughts on Wazza's international record. Average rating: 3.75/10.

Anyone disagree or have anything to add?

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Rooney's international career summed up by the Monkey:



2012 - Does not get a pass here as he was banned for three matches initially for kicking an opponent away in Montenegro in the qualifiers



Anyone disagree or have anything to add?

Ooh! Nothing more painful than a kick in the qualifiers!!

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

i think Rooney will go down as one of the more polarizing players in recent history, at least among English fans. i wholeheartedly feel that he was overrated for a large portion of his career, even as a United fan. i think he was a great captain and a great player, but he wasn't a world class star for very many years. most of his career with England really put this on display.

he was great enough to play a big role in helping a top notch team win games, but aside from a couple of his big seasons (09-10,11-12 off the top of my head) he wasn't the player putting United on his back. prior to that we had Ronny, Van Nistelrooy, Keane, etc. who, in my personal opinion, and keep in mind I wasn't a die hard viewer during these years, played a much bigger role in the success than the Roonster.

he's an icon, without a doubt. but he's nowhere near the best or the most important to put on the red and white. same thing for his career with england. reckon Harry Kane will blow his numbers out of the water.

[Cuthbert]

Kane should break the record providing he stays fit.

Welbeck has a good record for England, it's much better than his club record. Peter Crouch was the same as well, neither of them take penalties and are just under 1 in 2. Guessing these lanky players are more suited to our shit English style.

[Goofle]

World Class for many years. Kind of unfortunate that Ronaldo came to prominence around the same time, and forced Rooney to play second fiddle. His goal tally would be about 50 more for United if he was the main man for those three or four years in my opinion. The guy had a pretty much 1 in 2 goal record over the span of his United career which is rather remarkable for somebody who played #9 for maybe two or three of those seasons.

Compare his goals output with somebody like Dennis Bergkamp for example. Miles more productive. I know they didn't play the exact role, but it's quite clear who was the better striker.

I believe that if he were born about 5 years later - with all other circumstances being the same - we would be talking about a striker who would be regarded as Legendary not just at Manchester United or in the PL, but in the history of the game. He had exactly what you want in the more modern configuration of the game. Teams play with deeper lines, tighter gaps between midfield and attack, and he would be the prototype modern striker that would be served well in those conditions - as we saw in his few seasons as the main man up top.



Unreal.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

https://twitter.com/brfootball/statu...port.com%2Fepl

huuuuge signing providing it goes through. one of the best fullbacks in the world when he is focused and dedicated. think his pace will allow him to thrive in the Spurs system just like Walker did. not only that, but half the price of what City paid for Walker.

Spurs continue to blow me away. great team.

[Cuthbert]

Decent signing.

Need a striker as well I think. Benteke.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

they were trying to nick Martial from us. i hope he doesn't leave because i know there's a world class player in there somewhere, but if i'm honest it would be a great signing for them as he would be spectacular playing off of a striker who can drop deep and pass the ball through like Kane does. he's absolutely rapid as well which is I think is one thing the Spurs attack might lack a little bit.

in a different system under a different manager he would've had another solid season last year but he doesn't really work in the role Jose tries to use him in.

[Goofle]

Martial isn't worth persisting with while you can still get some cash. He's a 50/50 prospect in terms of becoming a great player imo. Rashford is the one.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

if he played as much as Rashford that wouldn't be the case. i think if i remember correctly Rashford played in more games than anyone else on the team last year. issue is Martial is a better striker than Rashford but with Lukaku and Ibra up front neither will get much time there. Rashford is far better on the wings and as an attacking midfielder because he's far more active and aggressive on the pitch.

we will end letting Tony leave and he will go on to do huge things for somebody else. if he does leave us I hope it's to go back to France.