The English Football Thread

[Goofle]

Suarez plays for Liverpool mate. Arsenal are a far better/bigger club than Liverpool.

[14232949]

Currently, Arsenal and Liverpool are in exactly the same tier, irrelevance. Suarez wants out of Liverpool because he knows he's good enough to play at the highest level. For teams capable of winning trophies both domestically and internationally. Arsenal do not fit that bill.

[Nurse Duckett]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

All the teams in the division get roughly equal amounts of Sky money though so I don't see how that means the teams that have won the league were bought teams (Chelsea & City aside) as they're competing against each other. It's not like in Spain where 50% goes to Madrid and Barça and the other 50% is shared among the other 18 teams.

Can't really see how this is a criticism tbh, that's how football works. With success comes rewards, it's like saying you shouldn't get prize money for winning the league (which you then use to buy players.)

Seems like it's mostly a dig at United tbh lol as they've dominated the PL era. They've got their faults as a club but buying titles isn't one of them.

What if there was no Sky prize money, what if your income as a club depended on how big your gates were. Thats when managers really earned their money, they built teams, they didn't go and spend 10s of millions of pounds every year buying players that had won the world cup etc etc. One day it'll be that way again, then we'll see how big and great the chelseas of this world are wont we.

Your reputation as a club wasn't put in place by TV presenters it was put in place by your results.

How much did the European Cup winning Villa squad cost?

What are the chances of Nottingham Forest getting promotion to the Prem this season and then winning the Prem next season and then winning the European champions League the following two seasons?

How much did Liverpool spend in the 60s and 70s and 80s when they were building their reputation? They had two world class managers that built that club from being Evertons poor relation into what LFC is today.

Football isn't about money, its about people and that's the bit that Sky and its army of arm chair fans don't understand.

They can get rid of Sky and all the European competitions and I'd be as happy as a pig in shiit, I don't know a football supporter that knows what he/she's talking about that wouldn't.

No it wasn't a dig at Manchester United, they've proved themselves as a football club too many times over the last 140 or so years to be called cheque book club. Fergie was a cheque book manager but so was every other successful manager in his era of management, and Man United were already a rich club before the Sky money arrived, so he had a slight head start didn't he. He's over rated, Busby was 20 times the manager Ferguson was.

The best three British managers of my living memory have been Bill Shankly, Don Revie and Brian Clough.

Its always difficult to try and explain the difference between football now and football before Sky took it over, they either don't understand because they didn't witness it, or they don't want to understand.

The Premier League is an embarrassment to English football. The three professional leagues below it are far more entertaining and far more competitive and the fans are a million miles better than Prem fans, Prem fans are dull. If Leeds United were in the Prem this season 80% of the Prem fans would go home crying ( in their Range Rover ) and wouldn't be able to put into words what they'd just seen and heard, the other 20% would love it because they'd seen it before and they've missed it sooo much. The Prem needs Leeds United more than Leeds United need the Prem, best fans on planet earth, we've just taken 5,000 to Slovenia to watch us do our pre season training, 95% of Prem clubs don't take that many fans to an away game that's less than 30 miles from where they live. ****ing light weight Prem wankers.

Marching on together.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Goofle11

Suarez plays for Liverpool mate. Arsenal are a far better/bigger club than Liverpool.

Good one.

Originally Posted by Nurse Duckett

What if there was no Sky prize money, what if your income as a club depended on how big your gates were. Thats when managers really earned their money, they built teams, they didn't go and spend 10s of millions of pounds every year buying players that had won the world cup etc etc. One day it'll be that way again, then we'll see how big and great the chelseas of this world are wont we.

But that's not the case, the fact is if you're playing in the Premier League you get extra money because the matches are televised. You earned it by securing PL status. There is an element of achievement behind the money, it's not the same as City and Chelsea who had billions quite literally handed to them. They didn't achieve that.

Your reputation as a club wasn't put in place by TV presenters it was put in place by your results.

I don't disagree with this. But with better results come better marketing opportunities, better sponsorships and so on.

How much did the European Cup winning Villa squad cost?

Not sure but wouldn't have been much. Cowans (star player) came through as an apprentice and the record signing, Peter Withe, was signed for 500,000. Bremner cost 275,000.

What are the chances of Nottingham Forest getting promotion to the Prem this season and then winning the Prem next season and then winning the European champions League the following two seasons?

The game's changed now though. Madrid won it 5 times on the trot when it started. Also Norwich got back to back promotions and are now an established Premier League team, Swansea are another good example too, they've came up through the leagues and won a major honour last season so it can happen but yeah it is harder now.

How much did Liverpool spend in the 60s and 70s and 80s when they were building their reputation? They had two world class managers that built that club from being Evertons poor relation into what LFC is today.

Fair point but 440k British record on Kenny Dalglish.

Football isn't about money, its about people and that's the bit that Sky and its army of arm chair fans don't understand.

Another fair point.

They can get rid of Sky and all the European competitions and I'd be as happy as a pig in shiit, I don't know a football supporter that knows what he/she's talking about that wouldn't.

Sky yes but not European competitions. If anything they should change the format of the Champions League so award places to league winners only with 2nd place having to qualify.

No it wasn't a dig at Manchester United, they've proved themselves as a football club too many times over the last 140 or so years to be called cheque book club. Fergie was a cheque book manager but so was every other successful manager in his era of management, and Man United were already a rich club before the Sky money arrived, so he had a slight head start didn't he. He's over rated, Busby was 20 times the manager Ferguson was.

Not really, if it was that easy why could nobody before him since Busby win the league with United? And you can't ignore what he achieved at Aberdeen. Broke the Old Firm dominance in Scotland and won them two European trophies, beating Real Madrid. With Aberdeen ffs

Ferguson completely changed the infrastructure of Man. United from the players to the tea ladies, stamped out the drinking culture and brought through youth. How many people would have got rid of Kanchelskis, Ince and Hughes (key players) after they'd won the league the previous year?

The best three British managers of my living memory have been Bill Shankly, Don Revie and Brian Clough.

Shankly is one, Ferguson is one, Clough probably is the other too but I'm not too bothered to argue either way. Jock Stein > Revie though. Come at me.

Its always difficult to try and explain the difference between football now and football before Sky took it over, they either don't understand because they didn't witness it, or they don't want to understand.

It has got worse but like I said, you've got to move with the times. When football started it wasn't even professional, the players played for free.

The Premier League is an embarrassment to English football. The three professional leagues below it are far more entertaining and far more competitive and the fans are a million miles better than Prem fans, Prem fans are dull. If Leeds United were in the Prem this season 80% of the Prem fans would go home crying ( in their Range Rover ) and wouldn't be able to put into words what they'd just seen and heard, the other 20% would love it because they'd seen it before and they've missed it sooo much. The Prem needs Leeds United more than Leeds United need the Prem, best fans on planet earth, we've just taken 5,000 to Slovenia to watch us do our pre season training, 95% of Prem clubs don't take that many fans to an away game that's less than 30 miles from where they live. ****ing light weight Prem wankers.

I know a QPR fan who says this but I think he's talking out of his arse tbh. The Premier League has it's faults but it's a great league.

& Man. United & Liverpool travel in big numbers.

No fans are decent at home in this country anymore though.

[Goofle]

Arsenal WITH Suarez would certainly be able to win trophies.

Wenger wants him, and will only settle for second tier strikers like Higuain until we are certain he isn't coming.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

And what exactly is the attraction for world class players to come to Arsenal?

Celebrating 4th position in the league.
Constant disappointment in both national and international tournaments.
A chairman and management team content with being a feeder club with the reluctance to put the money earned from sales back into buying top players.
The best they've managed in recent times is an over the hill Podolski.
A team that's only been regressing for years and aren't even considered a threat to the likes of Man Utd and City.
Watching their long-time weaker city rivals become a better team than them.

Very harsh imo. I agree in parts but they can offer Champions League football, challenges for trophies, the London lifestyle and pretty decent wages. From a footballer's point of view they'll want to play at the Emirates too.

Every year people say Spurs will overtake them and every year they fail. But this is like when people said every year Liverpool would fall out of the top 4 and it happened.

Arsenal need to seriously step their game up this season starting with transfers cos if they don't they're gonna be left behind.

There's not a hope in hell Suarez or Rooney will sign for Arsenal. Wayne will stay at Man Utd and Suarez is probably Spain, France or Germany bound.

Suárez could I reckon. I can just picture it after going on about the media wrecking his life. The scousers would go into meltdown

Said earlier Rooney is Chelsea bound imo.

[Newkie]

Can't see Suarez going to Arsenal myself. Then again I find it hard to imagine where he would go abroad. Can't see the italians splashing the cash. Can't see either of Dortmund or Bayern wanting him, nor Barca and I doubt he'd be too fussed on PSG. So really it's Madrid or another EPL team.

[Cuthbert]

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So Rooney is gonna be warming the bench haha.

He's off. United are just wumming him now.

Apparently they've bid 25m for Fabregas.

[Kulture]

They said Moyes can spend as much as he likes, I read in the paper he's planning to bid for Ronaldo and some other player I can't remember, but the total spending for just 2 players will be £70-75 million.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by Kulture

They said Moyes can spend as much as he likes, I read in the paper he's planning to bid for Ronaldo and some other player I can't remember, but the total spending for just 2 players will be £70-75 million.

Bale.

This is the first season I think there is actually a massive pot of gold at United since Glazernomics was introduced.

David Gill brought in shirt sponsors and training kit sponsors. Woodward has got a huge increase in the next shirt sponsorship deal. He has paid off DHL as he can get more for a training kit deal. The new Chevrolet deal, the Sky money, new Nike deal, selling the naming rights to Carrington... so much money. The Glazers have got that much money coming in that they are in danger of being able to pay off the debt AND still have enough money left to bleed United dry whilst providing the manager with a big war chest of money. They can, quite literally, do what they want.

Depends what they want to do.