The English Football Thread

Newkie · 05-10-2013, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

I really don't understand this idea that Rooney hasn't developed into a World Beater.

- The guy is by far the best attacker England has produced for over a decade.
- He has won five Premier League titles, with this recent one being the only season in which he wasn't a MAJOR part in the success.
- Won a Champions League.
- One time PFA and Football Writers POTY and three time TOTY member.
- Scored basically a goal every other game whilst only having one season as the main central striker in a 433 and one as a Second Striker in a 442 (both of which he scored more than 25 goals in the Premier League alone).

The guy is absolutely World Class. Not only as a striker, but also as an all-round player.

I'm not even going to touch that first point. It says **** all about him!

As for not developing into a worldie, my point was that at a young age he was quite rightly compared with Messi and Ronaldo. It looked like he could have all the power, drive and striking ability of pre-leg break shearer plus a load more technical ability, pace and an engine. The titles come with the territory, for me he never reached his promise.

Saying that, the criticism he is getting is probably more down to his personality than his ability, I'm surprised by how quickly manc fans have turned. Would be pretty crazy to sell, given RVP will surely be due for an injury lay off next year..

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-10-2013, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle11

I really don't understand this idea that Rooney hasn't developed into a World Beater.

- The guy is by far the best attacker England has produced for over a decade.
- He has won five Premier League titles, with this recent one being the only season in which he wasn't a MAJOR part in the success.
- Won a Champions League.
- One time PFA and Football Writers POTY and three time TOTY member.
- Scored basically a goal every other game whilst only having one season as the main central striker in a 433 and one as a Second Striker in a 442 (both of which he scored more than 25 goals in the Premier League alone).

The guy is absolutely World Class. Not only as a striker, but also as an all-round player.

2011?

Already explained about the CL, he did nothing the year United won it and nothing again in 2009 when they got to the final. All these trophies are irrelevant because he's been carried by his team mates. You wouldn't say John O'Shea is world class because of his honours list, so it doesn't make sense to do the same for Rooney.

I've already made a point about his stats as well. Plus he plays for Man. United. Any striker can score goals in that team.

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Originally Posted by Newkie

As for not developing into a worldie, my point was that at a young age he was quite rightly compared with Messi and Ronaldo. It looked like he could have all the power, drive and striking ability of pre-leg break shearer plus a load more technical ability, pace and an engine. The titles come with the territory, for me he never reached his promise.

This.

**Goofle** · 05-10-2013, 11:54 AM

He was never even close to Messi, and Ronaldo is a phenomenon. No shame in not reaching their levels - best two footballers ever.

Newkie · 05-10-2013, 12:14 PM

I always wondered about Messi's athleticism and at youth level wondered whether he'd cope without his barca team mates. Obviously nowadays he runs their whole show.

I think he had the talent. It is a shame if you don't reach your potential because of a lack of effort, which seems to be the call from fans. I wouldn't know, I don't watch him train.

**Goofle** · 05-10-2013, 03:48 PM

Rooney is a World Class player. Many hundreds of players have received the same level of hype that Rooney was given but didn't go on to be anywhere near as good a player. Don't try and play down his quality just because he isn't as good as the two best footballers of all time.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-10-2013, 04:56 PM

I'm only countering your points tbh. City goal and W. Ham hat-trick aside, United won the title because of Berbatov, not Rooney.

We aren't going to agree.

Who's better, Wenger or Mourinho?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-10-2013, 05:00 PM

The thing about Rooney isn't about what he's done but what he's going to do.

He doesn't want to be a part of the club, he doesn't want to work under Moyes. Even if he did stay his heart isn't going to be in it.

He's still only 27, For someone who cost £20something million they've had almost a decade service out of him, they could still get a reasonable fee for someone that age.

Selling him now would be good business.

**Goofle** · 05-10-2013, 05:01 PM

We aren't.

Wenger is a much better manager than Mourinho.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 05-10-2013, 05:13 PM

I find it strange Mourinho is rated as highly as he is.

Wenger for all his faults has had a greater impact on the modern game than Mourinho. Still think Mourinho is good though, just a total impact manager. A lot of his appeal is because of his character. People liked Balotelli for similar reasons.

Plus he's becoming an increasingly sad bastard.

Newkie · 05-10-2013, 05:40 PM

I think Mourinho is still a pretty top notch manager. Winning league titles with Inter and Porto wasn't impressive, but his champions league exploits with those two have to be respected given the squads at his disposal. Definitely agree a lot of the fuss about him is due to his personality, which is far superior to Wengers most of the time..I also kind of like him because he and AVB are part of Bobby Robson's managerial legacy, I still wonder what might have happened if he had taken the assistant manager role at Newcastle when Sir Bobby came but there we go.

Wenger is the best manager in the PL imo with fergie going. It's always been pretty close between those two, although if you'd asked 6 years ago I would definitely have said Wenger...

05-10-2013, 05:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	The thing about Rooney isn't about what he's done but what he's going to do. He doesn't want to be a part of the club, he doesn't want to work under Moyes. Even if he did stay his heart isn't going to be in it. He's still only 27, For someone who cost £20something million they've had almost a decade service out of him, they could still get a reasonable fee for someone that age. Selling him now would be good business. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

05-10-2013, 12:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
Newkie Boozy Lad Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 482	I always wondered about Messi's athleticism and at youth level wondered whether he'd cope without his barca team mates. Obviously nowadays he runs their whole show. I think he had the talent. It is a shame if you don't reach your potential because of a lack of effort, which seems to be the call from fans. I wouldn't know, I don't watch him train.

05-10-2013, 04:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I'm only countering your points tbh. City goal and W. Ham hat-trick aside, United won the title because of Berbatov, not Rooney. We aren't going to agree. Who's better, Wenger or Mourinho?

05-10-2013, 05:13 PM	#9 (permalink)
~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I find it strange Mourinho is rated as highly as he is. Wenger for all his faults has had a greater impact on the modern game than Mourinho. Still think Mourinho is good though, just a total impact manager. A lot of his appeal is because of his character. People liked Balotelli for similar reasons. Plus he's becoming an increasingly sad bastard.

05-10-2013, 05:40 PM	#10 (permalink)
Newkie Boozy Lad Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newport, South Wales Posts: 482	I think Mourinho is still a pretty top notch manager. Winning league titles with Inter and Porto wasn't impressive, but his champions league exploits with those two have to be respected given the squads at his disposal. Definitely agree a lot of the fuss about him is due to his personality, which is far superior to Wengers most of the time..I also kind of like him because he and AVB are part of Bobby Robson's managerial legacy, I still wonder what might have happened if he had taken the assistant manager role at Newcastle when Sir Bobby came but there we go. Wenger is the best manager in the PL imo with fergie going. It's always been pretty close between those two, although if you'd asked 6 years ago I would definitely have said Wenger...