The English Football Thread

**Goofle** · 01-02-2013, 08:01 PM

Pires by far. He was a much better footballer. Pires on is worst day was better than Giggs on an average day. I truly mean this when I say Pires was the best winger in Premier League - and probably English Football - history.

Gerrard was a fine player, don't get me wrong, but Vieira was hugely superior. The question should be "Who partners Vieira".

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-02-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

Pires by far. He was a much better footballer. Pires on is worst day was better than Giggs on an average day. I truly mean this when I say Pires was the best winger in Premier League - and probably English Football - history.

Gerrard was a fine player, don't get me wrong, but Vieira was hugely superior. The question should be "Who partners Vieira".

Giggs is the quintessential winger. Pires wasn't better, Giggs was faster, better at dribbling and better at crossing, surely that ends the debate? Pires wasn't better than Ronaldo either.

And the opinion that Vieira is the best midfielder of all time is more than a slight exaggeration mate, come on, Zidane? If Arsenal had all these players that were superior to Man. United's, why have they only won three PL league titles whereas United have won 12?

Bergkamp was better than Cantona I agree on that, what I meant was as strikers there have been better than both but you already commented on that so, cool.

14232949 · 01-02-2013, 08:07 PM

naa, I don't think that's the case. Look at the way the ball sticks to Giggs's feet in this video, it also highlights his exceptional movement and reading of the game.

So, you think Vieria is better than Scholes, that's interesting to me, the way I see it, Scholes and Zidane are the two best central midfiedlers of all time.

**Goofle** · 01-02-2013, 08:11 PM

Scholes is obviously better technically, and had unreal vision. Comfortably in the Top 5 CM's ever in that regard. Vieira was just a monstrous player who could do everything really well and certainly the one you would prefer to build a team around. Scholes would be a great partner for him.

I don't need to watch a video about Giggs because I know how good he can be. Great player. Pires was just on another level completely.

14232949 · 01-02-2013, 08:16 PM

So, if you rate Pires that much more highly than Giggs, surely you rate him as the best player of all time?

**Goofle** · 01-02-2013, 08:18 PM

I don't know what you are trying to say. Pires is a much better player than Giggs, who isn't anywhere near the best of all time.

**Goofle** · 01-02-2013, 08:36 PM

Side-stepping your incorrect assessment that Giggs was a better crosser and dribbler than Pires, I meant to say he was the best left winger. Ronaldo is the best if you include both sides (although both switched occasionally).

I also said Vieira was the best CM in PL history and probably the most complete CM ever (not best, just more complete). Not sure how you misunderstood that.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-02-2013, 08:45 PM

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Side-stepping your incorrect assessment that Giggs was a better crosser and dribbler than Pires, I meant to say he was the best left winger. Ronaldo is the best if you include both sides (although both switched occasionally).

Giggs was definitely a better dribbler, Giggs wasn't renowned for his crossing but it is/was good.

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I also said Vieira was the best CM in PL history and probably the most complete CM ever (not best, just more complete). Not sure how you misunderstood that.

He's not though is he? He's not even better than Yaya Toure.

**Goofle** · 01-02-2013, 08:48 PM

His dribbling was much better than Giggs, come on.

Vieira had a better engine than Yaya (top drawer CM), was better defensively and a better dribbler. Yaya probably edges him on passing and is more of a goal scorer.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-02-2013, 08:52 PM

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His dribbling was much better than Giggs, come on.

Vieira had a better engine than Yaya (top drawer CM), was better defensively and a better dribbler. Yaya probably edges him on passing and is more of a goal scorer.

Toure is definitely a better dribbler, you see him do it all the time. Gerrard was more complete than Vieira as well.

01-02-2013, 08:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	naa, I don't think that's the case. Look at the way the ball sticks to Giggs's feet in this video, it also highlights his exceptional movement and reading of the game. So, you think Vieria is better than Scholes, that's interesting to me, the way I see it, Scholes and Zidane are the two best central midfiedlers of all time.

01-02-2013, 08:16 PM	#5 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	So, if you rate Pires that much more highly than Giggs, surely you rate him as the best player of all time?