InterGender Sports
 

As we generally strive to become more progressive in general, why not become progressive in sports as well.

Women should be allowed to compete right along side men in the same sport. There is no reason for men and women to have their own separate leagues. End the gender segregation, at one point in time as all of you may know, sports were segregated by racial boundaries but they aren't any longer. Why must this barbaric practice continue? Knock down the walls of injustice and allow women to compete on the same fields with men if they display the talent and skill to be in the same competition as men.

Exhibit A.


Discuss Why or Why Not. Choose your side.

If a woman can compete on the same level as a man then I don't see the problem, but in general they can't so abolishing women's leagues is a bad idea, or else 95% of female athletes would be out of a job.

Women's league's are currently under performing and not many of them are being watched.

I would have to look it up but for example the numbers for WNBA aren't as great as they should be because like no one is really watching them. The women's leagues can still stay around for the ones that aren't skilled enough to make it to men's league in that case then.

It would probably see female representation increase from 0% to 0% in the most popular male sports.

^exactly.

At first women my get signed to a team as a public statement or to drum up some publicity, but as a whole they just wouldn't get proper playing time. The importance of physicality in sports can't be stressed enough. I think the Canadian women's football team could annihilate the men's on pure skill, but the size difference would make it quite hard to not get muscled off the ball and pushed around. I think that becomes even more evident looking at a sport like basketball.

So are you saying that there aren't any female players that have the skill and talent to compete in popular male sports? Sounds a bit sexist imo.

Did you even read my post? I think it comes down to size, as men are just naturally bigger than women, and in physical sports they would have a very hard time.

The US women's soccer team would run circles around the US men's soccer team. If women have the same physicality as men to go along with the talent and skill why wouldn't it make sense for them to be able to join male dominated teams? You are pretty much just saying that women are weak and have no place with the big boys.

No I didn't read your post because I was responding yo Goofle and you slipped in.

No. I'm saying that it's a fact that women are naturally smaller than men, and when you look at professional sports it's very hard to be small and successful in your sport. By starting intergender sports not only would you diminish the already dwindling number of supporters for women's sports, as they would move on to watching what is currently "men's" sports, but you're also taking away the opportunity for thousands of females who just wouldn't be able to make it in the pros. Here's a chart of average sizes from the UK http://www.arts.ac.uk/media/arts/res...sults-Full.pdf, and if you don't think size matters in sports then you just aren't watching closely enough.

You know nothing about soccer.

I am convinced this is a wind up. You are not this stupid.

I am actually for intergender sports. It will put a stop to the silly idea that women can compete with men athletically. Nobody can complain either because it's completely egalitarian.

I wonder which sport it would matter least in. Golf? Tennis? Baseball?

Yes.

Yeah, I was gonna say that too. I honestly feel that way about Canada because our men are ****e and women are top 10 in the world. US, not so much.

There are plenty of small and successful male athletes in any given sport especially basketball so size doesn't really matter in b ball as long as you have the skill/talent to match. Adding women to male dominated sports won't take away from all the women players in their league. Especially when as you say they don't have the skill level to compete with men because of their size. There are some women that are larger and can match men point for point.

Yes I don't follow football as much as you do but I do know a few things. Women's US team gets paid far less and has had more victories and championships under their belt. While the Men's team gets paid more while sucking ass. Every world cup they are in they end up getting eliminated quickly. Same goes for Olympics but they do have an awesome ass goalie. Too bad he doesn't have a strong team to back him up.


You just want it so that it can fail like you think it will. If they have the same level or skill/talent. Why can't there be a female version of Lebron.

Physical size would matter less in most team sports and all of the ones tha you listed.
The only sport where physical size would truly matter would be something like Olympic Wrestling. Any sport/competition where there is a one on one test of strength possibly but on the other hand there are female body builders that would be able to toss some wrestlers

Do you even follow the US Olympic teams at all? I don't think you do.

You're missing the point by like, a huge margin. The competition on the men's side isn't even comparable to the women's.

That might be the current case but we both don't know how well an all female team would do against an all male team.

Besides that point to your other post.
US women's team is ranked number 1 in the world while Canada is at 5 and you think Canada's women can do better than their men's team but the US women cant? GTFO

Deej they have had success in women's competitions. If you want to make a point about success you need to have the women's team play in the same competition.

Also don't move the goalposts. I don't care about wages and that's not your argument.

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Thrashed by a team full of children.

Yes because the Canadian men don't even qualify lol. The US men are more than capable players.I don't really know where else to go with this arguement, there's a reason why sports are seperate. I watch a fair bit of women's football (soccer) and I would hate to see the players either not have a job or just be forced to sit on the bench for a living.

I like Jansz's point. What sport's would this work in?

I think anything non-contact is perfectly reasonable, but when you get into football/rugby or MMA territory, eh? I mean honestly, if a woman is talented enough to make it onto a pro-male team I think she should have the option, but how realistic is it?

I'd also be interested to see the statistics on the male/female ratios in sports and leagues that do not have restrictions. I know in eSports, female competitors are practically non-existent or form all female teams. Sexism? Perhaps. I'm not fully convinced though.

The Men's US Soccer team would beat the Women's team by about 30-0 DJ.

I don't follow Golf enough to know the comparative handicaps for men and women, but it's fair to assume the Men generally hit the ball a lot further, which is a major advantage. As for tennis, I'd guess that pretty much every male pro in the top 200-300 would beat Serena Williams.

Monkey with the facts.

Omg this reminds me of yesterday in Plug where I had to argue with DJ, Bat, and Ki all at the same time because they were trying to tell me eSports should be an olympic sport.

Also as I mentioned before, maybe you didn't read my post but you and I both don't know what would be the outcome of all female vs all male match because it hasn't been done yet. The only female vs male match that I can think of off the top of my head was that battle of the sexes tennis match that happened in the 70s? I think

I didn't bring up wages to move goal posts. I was just letting you know what I know about the sport. It wasn't me moving goal posts or using it to create a new argument.

I am challenging that so called reason why sports are separate. Why do they need to be seperate in this day and age. They used to be seperate between the races. Black people have taken over basketball and football for the most part and their size advantages of being physical weren't an issue enough to keep the races seperate so why should that argument work for women?

Why aren't you convinced that it is sexism? Also the only reason why it isn't realistic is because of people's attitude towards seeing men compete with women. It might not be inherently sexism but there is definitely some outdated cave man thinking at play.

No ****ing way with your Serena claim. The entirety of your post is BS.

I told you I was going to create a thread that was similar to that debate in plug didn't I?

Also Goofle should open back up that thread for us to continue the debate.

I don't know about golf/baseball, but I don't think tennis would work. Even Serena wouldn't be anywhere near competitive in mens tourneys (it was a while ago, but she got beaten pretty badly by ~200 rank mens).

And I know for hockey, the womens' Olympic team played all around Canada against local AAA clubs, and did alright - winning record if memory serves me. So that's not bad but that's the best of the best women in the world against non professional teenagers. There has been a woman that made it to the NHL so there's that

I'm assuming she would have to play the full five sets? Also what else was wrong with my post? 30-0 may be over the top, but it would be an absolute annihilation.

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The UNDER 17 Men's National Soccer Team beat the USWNT 8-2. Not even close to the best team the US Men can field

This thread is a desperate attempt at making some grand point but is not taking any logic or facts into account. Even in golf women would not be able to compete under the same circumstances. Have you ever been on a golf course? The "women's tee" is generally a 20+ yard handicap closer than the men's. Women don't even play on the toughest, most famous golf courses in the world (like Augusta National). It's not a sexist thing it's just how things ****ing are, jesus christ

To run circles around them they'd have to be faster than the men, and women are not faster than men. They are not as strong, not as aggressive, and are mostly inferior in any physical way that counts. It's not sexism to accept facts.

I think I posted this before but I actually know a professional female footballer. She plays for a team in the English second tier. I have played against her and I'm miles better than her and I only got to a decent amateur level.

I guarantee me and ten of my mates would beat a pro women's team. Fitness might be an issue, but give us 8 weeks to stop drinking and a half decent tactics plan and you're looking at a cricket score.

That was eSports specific. Why in a sport where women are welcome to compete vs men and along side them, do they seldom do it, and when they do, it is with other women instead of mixed?

I think the problem starts with women wanting to prove to men that they can out compete them so there is a tendency to bond together instead of dispersing themselves among the majority. Sexism is most likely to blame for this mentality to begin with, but that still doesn't change the fact that when given the choice the majority of women choose to ignore the option. Again, this is strictly from an eSports perspective as idk fuck all about "real" sports.

Cuesports completely remove athleticism. I can't comment on places like China where it is massive but I know in Britain you generally learn to play things like Snooker in working men's clubs. That's how I learned.

Also as far as I'm aware, nothing on the FIFA website prohibits a woman from playing in a full national team, they aren't 'men's' teams, they're first teams. Women's teams exist because women have no chance of playing in a full national team.

I remember reading about it when this article got published - https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...p-women-sexism

I tried finding reputable sources, but I really don't know any of the sites I saw when I Googled "men and women's reaction speeds", but all of the ones I glanced at agreed that women did not have as good reaction speed as men, and I'm sure with any sport that difference would be crippling, and eSports would be no different.

StarCraft players peak around their mid-twenties and then decline shortly afterward, which is an even quicker turnover than tennis, where you can at least make it to thirty before being forced to retire. And much of that is due to reaction speeds deteriorating around that age, and the sites I looked at also suggested that women maintained peak reaction speeds for a shorter period of time than men.

What about a sport like horse racing? idk anything about it, but i think its segregated and i assume it might be one of the few instances where biology gives women the competitive advantage.

InterGender Sports should be allowed as much as eSports should be allowed to be considered a legitimate sport.

I don't see why a female jockey wouldn't be able to be just as successful or more than a male, due to lower body weight. I guess the reaction speed might be an issue, but I suppose a highly trained race horse might make up the difference to a degree. But I don't really know anything whatsoever about horse racing anyway, so that's just a guess. But I'd support merging men and women in that sport (although I'd be perfectly happy to have the sport itself abolished altogether).

Upon further consideration I think it might only work with certain sports. If a woman tennis player could hold her own against men then I see no problem (though I doubt many if any would be able to go toe-to-toe with Novak Djokovic or Rafael Nadal), but full-contact sports like American football and hockey sounds like a bad idea. Not only would women likely be more prone to injury (differences in bone density for instance), but I imagine a linebacker tasked with crushing a female running back like a twig as he would a man might very well hesitate and hold back, which would undermine the integrity of the game.

That last point is conjecture, but I know I would be hard pressed to full body tackle a woman without any hesitation, and I imagine the majority of males would feel the same.