should college athletes be allowed to make money off their name????

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 09-14-2013, 10:14 AM

watchin college gameday and desmond and paul finebaum were debatin

i agree with desmond. i think a college player should be allowed to sell their signature or their brand for money. cause they have put in the hard work and have the talent and should be able to benefit appropriately is my opinion

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2013, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

watchin college gameday and desmond and paul finebaum were debatin

i agree with desmond. i think a college player should be allowed to sell their signature or their brand for money. cause they have put in the hard work and have the talent and should be able to benefit appropriately is my opinion

Being from the UK I never understood this whole college circuit when it comes to sports in the USA. It's almost like that these amateurs are held in equal esteem as older professionals.

Here what you do as an amateur means **** and your reputation means **** too, it only matters when you do it at a professional level.

djchameleon · 09-16-2013, 06:08 AM

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Being from the UK I never understood this whole college circuit when it comes to sports in the USA. It's almost like that these amateurs are held in equal esteem as older professionals.

Here what you do as an amateur means **** and your reputation means **** too, it only matters when you do it at a professional level.

Don't look at the college circuit as amateurs. The college circuit here in the states is more like semi-pros and the pool that gets picked from when it's time to draft and they go pro from there.

As far as college players selling their brands/signatures for money. No fuck that, they already get free scholarship and all those other benefits. They don't also need that cream off the top. Plus they already do it anyways just in an indirect way.

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2013, 06:13 AM

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Don't look at the college circuit as amateurs. The college circuit here in the states is more like semi-pros and the pool that gets picked from when it's time to draft and they go pro from there.

Ok and another thing that I find strange are the draft picks. I've noticed in some sports like Basketball that the weakest teams get to pick the best college players? Surely if this is true, wouldn't the best college players want to go to one of the stronger teams?

djchameleon · 09-16-2013, 06:33 AM

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Ok and another thing that I find strange are the draft picks. I've noticed in some sports like Basketball that the weakest teams get to pick the best college players? Surely if this is true, wouldn't the best college players want to go to one of the stronger teams?

If the best college players went to the stronger teams then it would just create a consistent monopoly on being a strong team and having all the weaker teams just stay that way forever. The best college players go to weaker teams to attempt to fix that but sometimes they still end up just being collateral and being traded off to another team for certain players.

216 could probably go into more detail about the drafts than me though. I don't watch drafts when they happen.

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2013, 06:43 AM

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If the best college players went to the stronger teams then it would just create a consistent monopoly on being a strong team and having all the weaker teams just stay that way forever. The best college players go to weaker teams to attempt to fix that but sometimes they still end up just being collateral and being traded off to another team for certain players.

I can see the logic in that, but take soccer here in Europe and in most of the world. There is obviously no college structure, but the best young players normally go to the best teams and their aim is to make it in those teams. They only go to a weaker team if the can't cut it at the team or as is quite often the case, they go out on loan to get valuable playing time with a lesser team.

In order for a weaker team to get stronger, they usually don't rely on getting highly rated youngsters, but usually through a clever transfer policy and a manager that can get the best out of the team. So the team gets stronger based on their own merit, rather than having a system in place to help them out.

It's not that I disagree with the US sports system, it's just that its very different to what goes on here.

djchameleon · 09-16-2013, 08:28 AM

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In order for a weaker team to get stronger, they usually don't rely on getting highly rated youngsters, but usually through a clever transfer policy and a manager that can get the best out of the team. So the team gets stronger based on their own merit, rather than having a system in place to help them out.

The thing is that one really good player can't hold an entire team on his back so even if he does get handed to a weaker team, They still need to get stronger on their own merit.

Unknown Soldier · 09-16-2013, 08:43 AM

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The thing is that one really good player can't hold an entire team on his back so even if he does get handed to a weaker team, They still need to get stronger on their own merit.

So I guess that if a very good college player goes to weaker team and does really well and carries them, there are strong chances that he'll be traded/transferred to a bigger team in the future.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-23-2013, 01:02 AM

I dont agree with that draft logic.

in football success brings money and you use the money to buy players. The best clubs can afford the top players so they bid for them.

I wouldnt want S****horpe to be given Isco just cos theyre crap. if youre **** its your job to work your way up.

The downside to this is tycoons buying clubs and then buying star players cos the owners have billions. Bad because any club can effectively buy trophies if they get taken over by a rich owner.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 09-23-2013, 01:17 AM

each american sports i different

baseball sounds much like soccer in regards to contracts. there are no salary caps, the draft matters very little by comparison (cause so many good players arent american and not subjected to the draft is one reason). there are teams who put out terrible teams and turn the most profit (astros for example) and thats ust not good for fans to know youre team is basically purposely terrible

but baseballs players union has fought for, by far, not even close, the best contracts in american sports

as far as the draft it makes sense and its awesome in nba and nfl. worst teams get the best players and usually those players do turn around the franchise. there is so much parity in the nfl its ridiculous, which is great for the sport. strong teams and strong divisions drastically change so fast so if youre a fan you arent stuck in dogshiit for eternity (well save for a few mismanaged franchises like oakland lol)

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So I guess that if a very good college player goes to weaker team and does really well and carries them, there are strong chances that he'll be traded/transferred to a bigger team in the future.

that rarely happens tbh

chameleon is part right on what he said but didnt add much context. it depends on position how much a top pick can have on their team, but usually the first year isnt a huge improvement because of the learning curve, so they can be bad again and receive another high pick the next year. get a few high picks in there and eventually build a contender (see oklahoma city thunder in nba)

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~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	should college athletes be allowed to make money off their name???? watchin college gameday and desmond and paul finebaum were debatin i agree with desmond. i think a college player should be allowed to sell their signature or their brand for money. cause they have put in the hard work and have the talent and should be able to benefit appropriately is my opinion

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I dont agree with that draft logic. in football success brings money and you use the money to buy players. The best clubs can afford the top players so they bid for them. I wouldnt want S**horpe to be given Isco just cos theyre crap. if youre ** its your job to work your way up. The downside to this is tycoons buying clubs and then buying star players cos the owners have billions. Bad because any club can effectively buy trophies if they get taken over by a rich owner.