The European football thread

verdi · 01-05-2013, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

He doesn't know how to create a team. He is unable to make a team play great football. His transfers are simply a matter of signing obvious great footballers. Doesn't develop players/make them better. No sustainability.

He doesn't know how to create a team? You clearly have no clue about what he did with Porto, for example.
Also, of course he helped in the development of players. Again, using Porto as an example, you should see what he did with 90% of the team. No would never expect those guys to win anything. And yet...

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-05-2013, 02:54 AM

To be fair I think that would reinforce Goofle's point about him being tactically gifted, however I agree with you on the developing players bit. There's no way the likes of Drogba, Lampard, Cech and Carvalho didn't develop under Mourinho. And:

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens

How do you mean 'developed'?

Because a player like Walcott for example was at Southampton until he was 16, now he's at Arsenal and is 23. Southampton fans would say they developed him and Arsenal fans may say Arsenal developed him. Likewise with a player such as Ronaldo at Sporting/United/Real Madrid.

I think, in the proper sense of the word, only Barcelona 'develop' players. It's almost like they have a factory and keep mass producing them, thanks to La Masia. I remember when Pep made the comment about Barcelona having players better than Wilshire in the B team and people got annoyed but it's probably true.

I would say, Mourinho definitely had a hand in Lampard and Drogba's games excelling to they level they got to, but it depends what your interpretation of 'develop' is.

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verdi · 01-05-2013, 03:00 AM

I personally think Mourinho is great at creating teams and developing his players. He pretty much started from scratch at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, and Madrid. But you guys would know better about Chelsea, since I only watch the EPL occasionally.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-05-2013, 03:07 AM

I can't comment on Porto or Inter as I don't pay attention to either of those leagues but he didn't create a team at Madrid. Benzema, Alonso, Ronaldo, Kaka were all bought the season before he joined for stupid money. He's spent loads since then too, Madrid's transfer policy = throw enough sh1t and hope some of it sticks. I did originally post that Mourinho signed Ronaldo & co but then realised it was the season after those that he joined so edited this post.

Chelsea to be fair to them were not far off winning the league in 2004 under Ranieri and had he been given the same backing the following season instead of being sacked, there is no reason why they couldn't have won the league. I don't think Mancini is a good manager and he has proved that money buys success.

verdi · 01-05-2013, 03:14 AM

Mancini didn't get very far in the CL, though. I also think English teams haven't been at their prime lately, which partially explains City's success in the league. Sure it's still one of the most competitive leagues in Europe, but the competition hasn't been all that great, in my opinion.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 01-05-2013, 06:14 AM

Yeah I agree with English teams not being at their best.

**Goofle** · 01-05-2013, 10:17 AM

I know what he did at Porto.

Trollheart · 01-05-2013, 06:18 PM

Sounds like the title for a horror movie!

**Goofle** · 01-05-2013, 06:19 PM

**Goofle** · 01-07-2013, 08:20 AM

Messi should win the ballon d'Or tonight. Best footballer ever.

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verdi Groupie Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 44	I personally think Mourinho is great at creating teams and developing his players. He pretty much started from scratch at Porto, Chelsea, Inter, and Madrid. But you guys would know better about Chelsea, since I only watch the EPL occasionally.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	I can't comment on Porto or Inter as I don't pay attention to either of those leagues but he didn't create a team at Madrid. Benzema, Alonso, Ronaldo, Kaka were all bought the season before he joined for stupid money. He's spent loads since then too, Madrid's transfer policy = throw enough sh1t and hope some of it sticks. I did originally post that Mourinho signed Ronaldo & co but then realised it was the season after those that he joined so edited this post. Chelsea to be fair to them were not far off winning the league in 2004 under Ranieri and had he been given the same backing the following season instead of being sacked, there is no reason why they couldn't have won the league. I don't think Mancini is a good manager and he has proved that money buys success.

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verdi Groupie Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 44	Mancini didn't get very far in the CL, though. I also think English teams haven't been at their prime lately, which partially explains City's success in the league. Sure it's still one of the most competitive leagues in Europe, but the competition hasn't been all that great, in my opinion.

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~~Cuthbert~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Black Country Posts: 8,827	Yeah I agree with English teams not being at their best.