Le Tour De France 2012

bob. · 08-25-2012, 12:12 PM

what evidence?

floyd landis says he saw him using PEDs....FLOYD LANDIS!

there is none....this is public massacre....and bullshit in my opinion....the USADA is singling Lance out for a witch hunt style public prosecution.....they have not in any way shape or form submitted "damning evidence"

my only issue with this is....why would you just stop fighting....i mean he lost a counter suit....so what....you won the Tour de France 7 times man....on drugs or not...this is a major feat....why would you be willing to possibly give that up

also the USADA should in no way have the right to strip him of anything....it should be up to the Olympic comity and the Tour de France governing board

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Ah I see. It does look very intense I must say. What is the point of the competition if everyone is going to cheat?

But if nearly everybody is doing doping, is it really cheating?

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Originally Posted by bob.

what evidence?

floyd landis says he saw him using PEDs....FLOYD LANDIS!

there is none....this is public massacre....and bullshit in my opinion....the USADA is singling Lance out for a witch hunt style public prosecution.....they have not in any way shape or form submitted "damning evidence"

my only issue with this is....why would you just stop fighting....i mean he lost a counter suit....so what....you won the Tour de France 7 times man....on drugs or not...this is a major feat....why would you be willing to possibly give that up

also the USADA should in no way have the right to strip him of anything....it should be up to the Olympic comity and the Tour de France governing board

Floyd Landis yer its friggin hilarious

Agree the USADA are out of order here and it should Tour de France governing body that should have the right to do this, after all the so called "crime" took place on their soil.

derek · 08-25-2012, 01:44 PM

Lance almost pulled off the greatest fraud in history though Milli Vanilli begs to differ!

derek · 08-25-2012, 01:56 PM

Jonathan Vaughters who worked closely with Armstrong.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...=1&ref=opinion

Lance's best friend, Hincapie testifies against him. He then provided evidence about Armstrong and the organized doping on their teams to the antidoping agency.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/18/sp...pagewanted=all

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

But if nearly everybody is doing doping, is it really cheating?

It is cheating no matter even if they are all doing it, it doesn't mean it's right.

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

It is cheating no matter even if they are all doing it, it doesn't mean it's right.

I'm not saying its right, its just the way things are.

You have to remember that cycling is a sport of extremes, I very much doubt the high levels of excitement could be achieved if the riders were not on some kind of drugs. These riders need some help as well, in being able to recover between races and natural rest I doubt could do it sufficiently. I once remember reading that doing a Tour de France could take 3 years off a man's life, whether that is true or not, it demonstrates the severity of the sport.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I'm not saying its right, its just the way things are.

You have to remember that cycling is a sport of extremes, I very much doubt the high levels of excitement could be achieved if the riders were not on some kind of drugs. These riders need some help as well, in being able to recover between races and natural rest I doubt could do it sufficiently. I once remember reading that doing a Tour de France could take 3 years off a man's life, whether that is true or not, it demonstrates the severity of the sport.

Blimey that's awful, it makes you wonder if it's even worth it. Well if most riders do it because it's necessary then why are they always getting drug tested so much?

This reminds me of our steroid free Kiwi shot putter Valerie who unfortunately came second to a woman who was on steroids, thus Valerie was then given a gold medal. I think dopers are dispicable, they're taking away opportunities to win from honest and hard working athletes.

Unknown Soldier · 08-25-2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

Blimey that's awful, it makes you wonder if it's even worth it. Well if most riders do it because it's necessary then why are they always getting drug tested so much?

This reminds me of our steroid free Kiwi shot putter Valerie who unfortunately came second to a woman who was on steroids, thus Valerie was then given a gold medal. I think dopers are dispicable, they're taking away opportunities to win from honest and hard working athletes.

They're getting tested because doping in sport can't be condoned and rightly so, but cycling is the exception imo. The only solution is for everybody to expect less from the riders and to make the cycling calender less demanding, but will they do that? I think not because as always money is involved.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 08-25-2012, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

They're getting tested because doping in sport can't be condoned and rightly so, but cycling is the exception imo. The only solution is for everybody to expect less from the riders and to make the cycling calender less demanding, but will they do that? I think not because as always money is involved.

Very good point, money is one of the main drivers of cycling in competitons as well as recognition as being the top cyclist in the world. There are plenty of egos that need boosting so doping is the easier way to achieve glory.

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