Euro 2012

**Goofle** · 06-19-2012, 06:26 PM

Yeah, that's fair enough and my bad for assuming England would be more comfortable, but that doesn't mean England aren't very average.

If our central midfield was two of Carrick, Lampard, Wilshere, Scholes and Barry we would look a whole lot better, and I would arguably play Gerrard on the right, because he has been useless anywhere else.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-19-2012, 06:27 PM

It's funny how during every tournament there are always people forecasting doom & gloom and how we're going to get slaughtered when we play the 'big' teams and yet we always seem to go out either to one goal or by penalties. I've been following England since the 82 world cup and the only game in a tournament I can remember us being totally outclassed in was against Germany in the last world cup.

Unknown Soldier · 06-19-2012, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It's funny how during every tournament there are always people forecasting doom & gloom and how we're going to get slaughtered when we play the 'big' teams and yet we always seem to go out either to one goal or by penalties. I've been following England since the 82 world cup and the only game in a tournament I can remember us being totally outclassed in was against Germany in the last world cup.

Where they played in a unique 3 team knock-out group that consisted of Germany and Spain, FIFA has never used the same concept ever again. That was the England squad where Ron Greenwood refused to start with Keegan and Brooking two of the team's best players. I remember it like yesterday.

**Goofle** · 06-19-2012, 06:35 PM

I am not talking about England in terms of results. I am aware they are very good at doing what they need to win, but the players and football played is very poor, one of the worst teams in the Euros.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-19-2012, 06:39 PM

I remember that tournament like it was yesterday. Robson scoring against the French in 27 seconds, Keegan missing THAT header.

Happy days.

Trollheart · 06-19-2012, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

I am not talking about England in terms of results. I am aware they are very good at doing what they need to win, but the players and football played is very poor, one of the worst teams in the Euros.

No, no, I won't have that! Ireland deserve to be forever excluded from international competitions after that truly abysmal and amateurish performance! And to think people (not me) spent their savings to go follow them in Poland (and, they assumed/hoped/thought, Ukraine)! What a poor return. I know we Irish are known for making bad investments (property bubble HO!) but this must rank as the worst yet. Sure, everyone who went had a good time, despite the team's lacklustre effort, but I guarantee when the credit card bills start coming in, or the wife starts moaning about why they can't have a holiday this year because YOU wanted to go to POLAND, they'll feel differently...

Also, we should fire our manager, who is still desperately trying to come up with excuses, when there are none.

Everyone here was so fired up for this: flags hanging from every window and flying from every car, something finally to look forward to, and now look at us: the laughing stock of Europe. ZERO points gained. Zero.

You'll never beat the Irish? No, you won't, not unless you're an even halfway decent team who aren't afraid to pass the ball and at least try...

Vertigo · 06-20-2012, 03:12 AM

England were terrible last night and it certainly isn't through good play that they topped the group. The simple fact of the matter is the other teams managed, somehow, to be worse than England.
Rooney was dreadful - quite how most of the papers are given him 7/10 is beyond me - and completely ineffective. Young was poor, yet again, Wellbeck offered nothing and Parker is miles out of his depth. Gerrard has been the best England player up to now by a long way.

Hodgson fears to change the side as it may effect his own popularity with the media, so I expect Rooney will play again in the same position against Italy, whereas the sensible thing to do would be to replace Milner with Walcott, have Rooney play behind a front two of Carroll and Wellbeck, drop Parker and Young and play a 4-3-1-2 formation.

Unknown Soldier · 06-20-2012, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

I am not talking about England in terms of results. I am aware they are very good at doing what they need to win, but the players and football played is very poor, one of the worst teams in the Euros.

But England usually have players of more limited technical capabilities than most teams, so nothing new there.

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England were terrible last night and it certainly isn't through good play that they topped the group. The simple fact of the matter is the other teams managed, somehow, to be worse than England.
Rooney was dreadful - quite how most of the papers are given him 7/10 is beyond me - and completely ineffective. Young was poor, yet again, Wellbeck offered nothing and Parker is miles out of his depth. Gerrard has been the best England player up to now by a long way.

Hodgson fears to change the side as it may effect his own popularity with the media, so I expect Rooney will play again in the same position against Italy, whereas the sensible thing to do would be to replace Milner with Walcott, have Rooney play behind a front two of Carroll and Wellbeck, drop Parker and Young and play a 4-3-1-2 formation.

Rooney wasn't that dreadful-he scored the winning goal. I don't know why Parker gets slagged down on here, he plays with his heart on his sleeve and gives 100% in the engine room and puts head and body in the way.

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I remember that tournament like it was yesterday. Robson scoring against the French in 27 seconds, Keegan missing THAT header.

Happy days.

...and Maradona kicking a Brazilan defender in the nuts and getting sent off. But the highlight was surely Italy's match against Brazil (that Brazilian side still the best side I've ever seen) being outscored by Rossi and then there was that classic hatchet Italian defender in Gentile.

**Goofle** · 06-20-2012, 04:36 AM

Parker is so average, that's why fans have a go. Players like Busquets, Alonso, Pirlo, Carrick and Barry do what he does without having to bust a gut and are a million times better in possession because they have a superior football brain.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 06-20-2012, 04:52 AM

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...and Maradona kicking a Brazilan defender in the nuts and getting sent off. But the highlight was surely Italy's match against Brazil (that Brazilian side still the best side I've ever seen) being outscored by Rossi and then there was that classic hatchet Italian defender in Gentile.

How could you forget Schumacher vs Battiston

To this day probably the worst foul I've ever seen.

06-19-2012, 06:27 PM	#172 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	It's funny how during every tournament there are always people forecasting doom & gloom and how we're going to get slaughtered when we play the 'big' teams and yet we always seem to go out either to one goal or by penalties. I've been following England since the 82 world cup and the only game in a tournament I can remember us being totally outclassed in was against Germany in the last world cup. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

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Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,605	I remember that tournament like it was yesterday. Robson scoring against the French in 27 seconds, Keegan missing THAT header. Happy days. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

06-20-2012, 03:12 AM	#177 (permalink)
Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	England were terrible last night and it certainly isn't through good play that they topped the group. The simple fact of the matter is the other teams managed, somehow, to be worse than England. Rooney was dreadful - quite how most of the papers are given him 7/10 is beyond me - and completely ineffective. Young was poor, yet again, Wellbeck offered nothing and Parker is miles out of his depth. Gerrard has been the best England player up to now by a long way. Hodgson fears to change the side as it may effect his own popularity with the media, so I expect Rooney will play again in the same position against Italy, whereas the sensible thing to do would be to replace Milner with Walcott, have Rooney play behind a front two of Carroll and Wellbeck, drop Parker and Young and play a 4-3-1-2 formation.