Great Debate: Are eSports sports?

YorkeDaddy · 04-28-2015, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeytennis

Snooker is definitely a sport. People comparing it to chess

Thing is with chess/scrabble/cards etc, if you tell someone else to place your move for you, it's still you playing those games if you get me, because the moves are tactical rather than physical execution or a combination of both, whereas in snooker or even golf, execution and physical skill is required every time, you know to get the ball in the pocket/hole but how many people have the skill to actually execute the move? Doesn't matter how well you know the game or the rules.

Darts is a sport as well.

Funny as fuck if you've ever seen someone try to hit a golf ball from a tee or get a break of 10+ in snooker when they've never played before, can't say there's no physical exertion when you see those amatuerish swings and cue actions

btw realise this thread is old, dgaf. Not touching the eSport thing either.

Are you trying to make a point to me or something.

In my most recent post I acknowledged the eSports should not be lumped together with real sports.

However if your entire point is that something has to require a physical action taken by the player to be considered a sport, well then eSports absolutely qualify. There's no chance in hell I can execute combos like the top level players in League of Legends do because I'm a million times worse than them. The greatest play in LoL history by the greatest player in LoL history...

...could only have been executed by maybe 5 people on the planet

~~Cuthbert~~ · 04-28-2015, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

Are you trying to make a point to me or something.

No I was agreeing with your post (hence

) and then posting my own opinion cos I saw some posters saying cue sports aren't sports.

wrt esports:

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Not touching the eSport thing

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DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

...could only have been executed by maybe 5 people on the planet

People that don't play competitive video games don't understand the physical dexterity required to be a pro or the mental capacity required to micromanage a game like starcraft or LoL. Half the people that play League probably don't even understand what happened in that play.

YorkeDaddy · 04-28-2015, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

People that don't play competitive video games don't understand the physical dexterity required to be a pro or the mental capacity required to micromanage a game like starcraft or LoL. Half the people that play League probably don't even understand what happened in that play.

Yeah but even then the astonished commentators would probably let an uninformed viewer know that what happened was utterly jaw-dropping. Or at least that's what I was hoping when I posted that video haha

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Originally Posted by Plankton

That's like saying CAD is a sport. Most people can't execute what I do on a daily basis.

But it doesn't take an unreal level of mechanics and quick thinking. Many people could train to become good at CAD but it takes something really special to be able to play League of Legends that well. Just like it takes something really special to be able to hit a 99 MPH fastball.

Plankton · 04-28-2015, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

But it doesn't take an unreal level of mechanics and quick thinking.

Yes it does.

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

Many people could train to become good at CAD but it takes something really special to be able to play League of Legends that well. Just like it takes something really special to be able to hit a 99 MPH fastball.

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Lots of people can't do lots of things. That point is irrelevant, what matters is the skills that are necessary to consider something a sport. Most people argue video games are not sports because they don't need any sort of physical prowess. My question for them is: why are dexterity and reflexes included when considering some traditional sports but excluded for professional gamers?

Tell that to the people who enter this:

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YorkeDaddy · 04-28-2015, 10:49 AM

I'm sorry that you don't see the difference here buuuuuut there's definitely a massive difference. Probably just your generation talking.

Plankton · 04-28-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

I'm sorry that you don't see the difference here buuuuuut there's definitely a massive difference. Probably just your generation talking.

Nope.

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sport
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noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

It's what the game creators want you to think. They'll keep perpetuating the argument, and people will keep sending them money.

YorkeDaddy · 04-28-2015, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Nope.

It's what the game creators want you to think. They'll keep perpetuating the argument, and people will keep sending them money.

Are you actually reading my posts. I read yours, please give me the same respect by reading mine.

Literally twice I've said eSport is it's own category and shouldn't be classified alongside physical sports

DwnWthVwls · 04-28-2015, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Nope.

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sport
spôrt/Submit
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

It's what the game creators want you to think. They'll keep perpetuating the argument, and people will keep sending them money.

Based on your definition I fail to see how that excludes esports from being real sports unless, like I said earlier, you draw arbitrary lines over how much exertion is required rather than if it IS required and exclude dexterity and reflexes as physical aspects/skill of gaming.

Some gamers compete in tournaments for lengths of 4+ hours at a time going through stages of heart rate increase and all while maintaining precision hand-eye coordination.

Also, what physical skills does CAD require? I don't know much about the program, and I've made it a point to exclude brain function from the list of criteria for physical exertion. If CAD does actually require some sort of insane dexterity or reflexes and there are competitions for it, I'd consider it a sport.