Dr_Rez

Exactly this, they are games.

Sports: all forms of competitive physical activity

THATS ALL THERE IS TO IT!

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GuitarBizarre

No, I was simply pointing out arguments as to the widespread acceptance of a professional scene that seems to a lot of people to be a way of legitimising the concept of a sport.

As for Gears, no, I wouldn't consider them an amateur sportsman any more than I would consider friends playing football in the park amateur sportsmen. Their activity involves no inherent competition or reward, no necessary physical conditioning or training, and there is no reward for victory. According to the definition of athletics I posted before, and its latin root, one or all of those things must be necessary to be a sport.

They're a hobbyist. I would consider them an amateur sportsman if they began to look for a local team or something of the kind however, because then the element of competition comes in and they may be playing for a local league rather than simply for their own amusement. Obviously with Gears, thats not possible because there is no wider competitive angle. With an FPS or RTS however, where online play is integral and therefore competition with others is also integral, then sure, I could consider an amateur status there.

Physical activity would include dexterity, yes?

Even then, I point again to the fact the olympic committee does classify many sports with low physical but high dexterity requirements as legitimate sports.

Including Chess.

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midnight rain

If that's true, why are they listed under examples of sports at dictionary.com? Are we choosing what words mean now, according to our biases?

Dr_Rez

No were choosing by physical activity.....

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midnight rain

According to dictionary.com, hunting, fishing, and racing qualify as physical activities. That's all there is to it.

GuitarBizarre

Except that no definition of sport defines that as meaning strenuous physical activity, and every definition I can find lists physical activity alongside the concept of dexterity or skill.

There is no definition of sports or athletics that states solely that a sport must require strenuous rather than simply practiced physical activity.

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Dr_Rez

Use common sense then. Billiards requires physical activity by your standards. So does that mean brushing your teeth with others is also a sport? How about going to the bathroom?

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midnight rain

Are any of those done competitively? Are those at all considered past times? No? Guess you have your answer then.

Dr_Rez

CLearly my point entailed that they were being done competitively. Please save me the smartass answers.

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midnight rain

I don't know them to be done competitively, so no they aren't sports.