Great Debate: Are eSports sports?

anticipation · 05-19-2012, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FireWaterBurn

Thanks, it seems to make less sense that way but you are correct

I don't think you understand the fundamentals of horticulture, yet another character flaw.

GuitarBizarre · 05-20-2012, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by FETCHER.

This is absolutely ludicrous.

Can I make the request that you actually provide some sort of logical reasoning as to why that is the case, rather than acting childish and repeatedly stating what you believe as fact? The borderline mockery isn't becoming.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-20-2012, 04:38 AM

My main issue with this whole thing is that I can't think of any sport where you control a little character on a screen that does all the physical work for you by you simply pressing a few buttons.

Now if the gamers had to do that stuff for real, then I'd consider it a sport.

GuitarBizarre · 05-20-2012, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

My main issue with this whole thing is that I can't think of any sport where you control a little character on a screen that does all the physical work for you by you simply pressing a few buttons.

Now if the gamers had to do that stuff for real, then I'd consider it a sport.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I don't even know how we begin to have a conversation if you don't refute a counterpoint.

"Its purely physical!"
"Says who? Here are a few ways they aren't physical"
"But sports are physical!"

/splosions

Should I just quote this repeatedly or what?

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-20-2012, 04:52 AM

Well considering it had nothing to do with what I said you can post it all you like.

GuitarBizarre · 05-20-2012, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Well considering it had nothing to do with what I said you can post it all you like.

Pretty sure you're still assuming all sport is physical. Seems relevant to me. Of course, you could perhaps try to back up your position rather than making statements that rely on the same assumption nobody has thus far managed to prove.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-20-2012, 05:02 AM

No my point was is that a character on a screen does everything and can only do the things within the parameters of the game. Which is why I don't consider it a sport.

The day that someone in Soul Caliber pulls up with a hamstring from landing awkwardly in a fight is the day I consider it a real sport. Not because of the physical aspect but because until the games start to use ALL the real attributes of the person playing it in the game (all rather than just a few) I don't consider it to be a true sport.

GuitarBizarre · 05-20-2012, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

No my point was is that a character on a screen does everything and can only do the things within the parameters of the game. Which is why I don't consider it a sport.

The day that someone in Soul Caliber pulls up with a hamstring from landing awkwardly in a fight is the day I consider it a real sport. Not because of the physical aspect but because until the games start to use ALL the real attributes of the person playing it in the game (all rather than just a few) I don't consider it to be a true sport.

Thats...an unbelievably arbitrary and personal distinction. You can't seriously be suggesting that your personal bias is a valid rationale for describing things as sport?

Regardless, competitive gaming does carry similar random elements and risks of injury. IMMvP is currently competing in the GSL with wrist injuries. BoxeR has had to take a sabbatical and forfeit his Code A matches because of a growing pain in his shoulder. Flash, the famous Broodwar progamer has had similar wrist issues and is still suffering the after effects.

Just because the game is immutable doesn't mean there is no such element, and even if it did, it seems completely ridiculous to me that you're trying to define sports in a way that literally has nothing to do with what makes a sport a sport.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 05-20-2012, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Just because the game is immutable doesn't mean there is no such element, and even if it did, it seems completely ridiculous to me that you're trying to define sports in a way that literally has nothing to do with what makes a sport a sport.

No i'm not, I'm simply suggesting that until video games focus on all the attributes of the person playing them I don't consider them a sport.

If you want to play a game that uses physical prowess in the gameplay of the game I don't see why it's so unreasonable to expect the player to have it too. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

GuitarBizarre · 05-20-2012, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

No i'm not, I'm simply suggesting that until video games focus on all the attributes of the person playing them I don't consider them a sport.

If you want to play a game that uses physical prowess in the gameplay of the game I don't see why it's so unreasonable to expect the player to have it too. That seems perfectly reasonable to me.

You're missing the point. This is just your personal preference on what sports you want to watch. What you're saying has sweet fanny adams to do with whether something is a sport or not. I don't see how you can logically apply anything you're saying in a way that becomes a functional method to say "This is a sport, this is not a sport".

05-20-2012, 04:38 AM	#3 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	My main issue with this whole thing is that I can't think of any sport where you control a little character on a screen that does all the physical work for you by you simply pressing a few buttons. Now if the gamers had to do that stuff for real, then I'd consider it a sport. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

05-20-2012, 04:52 AM	#5 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	Well considering it had nothing to do with what I said you can post it all you like. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.

05-20-2012, 05:02 AM	#7 (permalink)
Urban Hat€monger ? The Sexual Intellectual Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Somewhere cooler than you Posts: 18,626	No my point was is that a character on a screen does everything and can only do the things within the parameters of the game. Which is why I don't consider it a sport. The day that someone in Soul Caliber pulls up with a hamstring from landing awkwardly in a fight is the day I consider it a real sport. Not because of the physical aspect but because until the games start to use ALL the real attributes of the person playing it in the game (all rather than just a few) I don't consider it to be a true sport. __________________ Urb's RYM Stuff Most people sell their soul to the devil, but the devil sells his soul to Nick Cave.