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Old 05-18-2012, 10:11 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Maybe you could go play for the New York Fudgecakes or something
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haha, I'm thinking of writing to the commonwealth games. Seen as they will be in my city come 2014.
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Old 05-18-2012, 08:13 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I don't even know why I'm responding, since your whole argument is "HEY LOOK, NERDS! THEY'RE TOTALLY THE SAME AS THE 80's STEREOTYPE, LOL FAT KIDS", and you must have been living under a rock to think thats really applicable to the nerd group, but here, have a few images of good looking and physically fit progamers

Umm... thanks for the peek into your "gamers i think are hott" picture collection. I really do believe that gamers are generally a bunch of nerds who wish they were athletes. Maybe if they can get acceptance from others by calling their gaming a 'sport' they will feel better about themselves. I think it's some sort of deep-seeded jealousy that they would never admit. I can't be certain. If it appeared as though I think every single person to ever pick up a controller or computer mouse was a fat virgin with acne, I apologize. I will clarify that I didn't mean every single gamer.

Either way, gaming isn't an athletic activity. As I've said, if you can do it while drinking Mountain Dew from a sofa, then it's not a sport. From the reasons given for supporting gaming as a sport, I'm not sure there is much that wouldn't apply to other field such as something like journalism. It requires physical activity, there's competition, there are celebrities, there are fans who don't write themselves, etc.

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Umm... thanks for the peek into your "gamers i think are hott" picture collection. I really do believe that gamers are generally a bunch of nerds who wish they were athletes. Maybe if they can get acceptance from others by calling their gaming a 'sport' they will feel better about themselves. I think it's some sort of deep-seeded jealousy that they would never admit. I can't be certain. If it appeared as though I think every single person to ever pick up a controller or computer mouse was a fat virgin with acne, I apologize. I will clarify that I didn't mean every single gamer.

Either way, gaming isn't an athletic activity. As I've said, if you can do it while drinking Mountain Dew from a sofa, then it's not a sport. From the reasons given for supporting gaming as a sport, I'm not sure there is much that wouldn't apply to other field such as something like journalism. It requires physical activity, there's competition, there are celebrities, there are fans who don't write themselves, etc.
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It's a sport, innit? It's an e-sport.

I know that sports are meant to be physical activities. That being said, the focus on the physical aspect is the only real difference. Off the top of my head, I can find many similarities between StarCraft and a competitive sport like f.ex boxing, as GB rightly points out in his first post. I also think the competitors on top of their games definitely have very fined tuned dexterity and are highly observant and organized in their minds so while they may not be "physical" like we might expect from people who do sports, I don't think they're doing something just anyone could do with enough training either. They have some natural ability from birth which gives them an edge.
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It's a sport, innit? It's an e-sport.

I know that sports are meant to be physical activities. That being said, the focus on the physical aspect is the only real difference. Off the top of my head, I can find many similarities between StarCraft and a competitive sport like f.ex boxing, as GB rightly points out in his first post. I also think the competitors on top of their games definitely have very fined tuned dexterity and are highly observant and organized in their minds so while they may not be "physical" like we might expect from people who do sports, I don't think they're doing something just anyone could do with enough training either. They have some natural ability from birth which gives them an edge.
I'll disagree about gamers having some sort of natural ability and I'm not sure the point of that comment either. Are you saying real athletes don't have as many natural abilities, or are you showing they are similiar in that real athletes have natural advantages too? The bolded part is exactly why it's called a game and not called a sport. The main difference is the physical aspect like you said, which just so happens to be the main factor in determining if something is a sport or not.
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I'll disagree about gamers having some sort of natural ability and I'm not sure the point of that comment either. Are you saying real athletes don't have as many natural abilities, or are you showing they are similiar in that real athletes have natural advantages too? The bolded part is exactly why it's called a game and not called a sport. The main difference is the physical aspect like you said, which just so happens to be the main factor in determining if something is a sport or not.
I know it's a game. I'm not contesting that.

I think in most sports, some will have a natural advantage. They will be the right size body for example. A great distance runner won't necessarily make for a truly great boxer. I don't think just about anyone can compete with the best in StarCraft either. The competition is that hard. So I really just wanted to point out that these people are "athletes" at their own game, just like olympic swimmers, runners, soccer players or pole vaulters are.
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Give it up tore, the guy is more intent on throwing out blanket generalisations and insults than he is in actually discussing anything on the grounds the discussion was intended. He's obviously not read any of the preceding 15 pages of discussion either, because everything he's been saying was discussed to death by page 8 or so.

Thus far exactly zero counterpoints have been raised that haven't relied on some sort of innate instinctual defining of sports as no more than strenuous physical activity, a point that has been addressed at length already. Nobody has even attempted to claim that eSports do not contain some other defining element of sporting competition. Its all been about the physical side, and speaking truthfully, I think big3 nailed it when he said this:

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I don't even know how we begin to have a conversation if you don't refute a counterpoint.

"Its purely physical!"
"Says who? Here are a few ways they aren't physical"
"But sports are physical!"

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Its evident that either nobody CAN provide a compelling argument to the contrary, or nobody is WILLING to provide a compelling argument to the contrary.
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1 - Pros in the most popular games practice 14 hour days to be at the top of their fields.
2 - The most popular games have professional teams who manage and run contracts for their major players.
3 - Sponsorship exists, and on a very wide scale. Evil Geniuses, a single team, for example, are sponsored by Intel, SteelSeries, Monster Energy, Kingston Technology, InWin, Beyond Gaming, Sapphire Technology, Six Pool Gaming, Bigfoot Networks, Intel Extreme Team, GUNNAR Optiks, SLAPPA, and SPLIT REASON.
4 - The top players are as much celebrities within their scenes as in most other sports. I'm not talking like Soccer or Baseball, which are culturally huge, but any smaller sport like Snooker or Curling or whatever, they have their own stars that are respected, and so does eSports.
5 - They have a spectator audience of people who DON'T play the game themselves. Barcrafts are a global thing and they're frequented by plenty of people who don't play and can't play, but who love to watch.
6 - There is real depth to the games that attain status as eSports. Starcraft Broodwar, for example, is still developing as players discover new strategies and tactics to this day, 10 years after its release and 2 years after the release of its sequel (Which is currently exploding in popularity)
I'm not even sure how some of these strengthen your argument that gaming is a sport. Gaming has sponsorship and fans who don't play the game. How does these things help qualify gaming as a sport?

Urban brought up a good point about games not using all the real human attributes. And I laughed thinking about my guy in Call Of Duty running around the map and pulling up lame with a hammy injury.

I'm not sure much more discussion be had on my opinion that gaming doesn't require nearly enough physical activity to be called a sport. There are plenty of hobbies and occupations that involve competition and the same level of physical activity as gaming, and I'm not ready to consider things like writing newspaper columns a sporting event.
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I'm not even sure how some of these strengthen your argument that gaming is a sport. Gaming has sponsorship and fans who don't play the game. How does these things help qualify gaming as a sport?

Urban brought up a good point about games not using all the real human attributes. And I laughed thinking about my guy in Call Of Duty running around the map and pulling up lame with a hammy injury.

I'm not sure much more discussion be had on my opinion that gaming doesn't require nearly enough physical activity to be called a sport. There are plenty of hobbies and occupations that involve competition and the same level of physical activity as gaming, and I'm not ready to consider things like writing newspaper columns a sporting event.
Do you consider snooker a sport? Or throwing darts?

Neither are very physical and require much fitness from the contestants.
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