James

Amateur.
Anyway, I was joking. I don't really agree with this thread. I just think sport demands exercise, as others have said.

TheBig3

As others have said with little basis other than "I was raised to believe..."

If you tried to do what was done in this thread, in a thread about religion you would be crucified.

GuitarBizarre

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TheBig3

pun intended, but the argument was a serious one

GuitarBizarre

Heh, well, I laughed, so good job.

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Mrd00d

I think that'd be cool if they had competitive Rock Band/Guitar Hero like they do Starcraft and Counter Strike. I think they wished they could do that, but the concept has faltered and fallen from grace. I still like the idea, but it seems like most people got bored of the idea.

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TheBig3

Yeah, well there wouldn't be more than a few points here or there separating people. In the games that remain popular, its about reaction, strategy, adaptation, and experimentation.

GH and RB don't have that.

Howard the Duck

they used to have those arcade games where there were makeshift skateboards or skis

they could be considered eSports

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James

Okay, I read the whole thread and I have kind of been persuaded. If darts are considered sports these "esports" should be too, requiring similiar hand eye coordination and probably taking more skill. But what does it matter? There's no official ruling on what sport is, if there are competitions and "athletes" out there already then I would say it could be classed as a sport, but it will never be accepted by the majority.

MoonlitSunshine

It's probably worth noting that if one takes pure etymological meaning, one also has to take etymological context. The word sport initially found its meaning before there were computers, so the ability for high mental exertion without physical exertion was relatively limited - there was no need when the word was defined to include or exclude activities you don't even have to stand up for or more your hands more than a foot (or even your feet) for hours on end. Personally, I do not consider bar games like snooker or darts sports, but there is an argument for them being included, based on the dual-meaning of sport.

Sport, as a word, carries two connotations. The first is the physical exertion that has been mentioned so many times. Now, sport is an ever evolving word, and as I've already shown initial definitions can lose context in modern society, so it does not always work to simply apply the definition and have at. In this case, the simple fact that one has to argue that the definition technically doesn't exclude eSports as sports makes it abundantly clear that, for the average person, the old definition of sports doesn't really hold. How is this "lay-person definition" defined? Who knows! One thing seems to stand out though, and that is that playing sports is good for your general fitness and improves the wellbeing of your body. eSports on the other hand are almost entirely mental activities - yes, they do require some physical ability at high levels, but there is a reason why the greatest Startcraft players do not have well-toned bodies at peak fitness.

The second meaning of sport however, seems to relate to competitiveness. At a fundamental level, anything with rules that people initially play for fun is a Game. Once it becomes competitive, it starts changing into a "Sport". So using competitiveness as a marker, eSports, Darts and Snooker are all most certainly sports.

Where does this leave us? Possibly, some redefinitions are needed. It is true that eSports need a moniker that differentiate them from couch gaming for fun - there are untold levels of skill and dedication between them. "eSports" in itself carries derogatory tones, and such new word or adaptation would then for me include other "games" played at professional level, like Chess, Darts and Snooker.

At the same time, the meaning of the word Sport as something you can tell people to do that's fun but also increases their general physical wellbeing and health needs to be preserved - I would be entirely against the branding of eSports as Sports because of the excuses it would then bring to rise. With a new word to define the competitive aspect, the subset of competitive games which are considered physically (and probably more accurately, cardio-vascularly) exerting enough to be defined a Sport by the lay-person can remain defined so, thus preventing a perversion of an old word applied to new contexts.


As an aside, I can totally understand why one would want to remove the stigma of "eSports" from something which does require a lot of skill and training of (a veeeeeeery small amount of) muscles. IF it is being done to professionally justify their playing. NOT if it is being done in order to justify the replacement of other "Sports" in the regimen of well-being.

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