RIP Joe Paterno

~~Rubato~~ · 01-28-2012, 08:11 AM

I don't know any of the details so I can't really comment but WTF people, stopping child abuse isn't above anyones pay grade. If your job involves children you do have a certain responsibility for them and making sure they don't get raped is pretty ****ing high up the list. It's not something anyone should turn a blind to.

The Batlord · 01-28-2012, 12:26 PM

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There's no way he could have known the validity of the report at that point in time.

Which is why you call the police. You know, the people (unlike Some College) who are qualified to investigate child rape.

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Thanks for the moron comment, it really helps prove your point.

It wasn't supposed to prove my point, you moron. It was supposed to show you that I thought that you were a moron. I provided reasons why I thought you were incorrect and a moron, so I feel justified in calling you a moron. If that pisses you off, then prove me wrong.

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True, but this still doesn't prove Paterno guilty of anything. Like I said before, he routed the complaint to his superiors, which is commonplace in most employer sexual assault training maunals.

I'm sorry, but if my employer tells me to report child rape to a superior, who has no business investigating child rape, rather than the police, then I'm gonna break protocol on that one.

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Speculation. Period.

Not really. Had he been doing anything it wouldn't have gone unreported to the police for TEN YEARS. Anything he was doing was obviously next to useless.

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The DECISION of whether or not the matter should go to the police most surely is a school administration issue. The athletic department has absolutely no authority to make that decision. The fact that you don't recognize job descriptions, and/or, chain of command, are irrelevant.

A university's chain of command is in no way qualified to deal with child rape. Ur a moron, derp derp.

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So I'm a deviant rival of Penn State, I go get an internship at their athletic department and, after a few months of working there, accuse the assistant coach of sexual assault. The entire athletic department is fired and arrested, and my team beats Penn State in football for the next 8 seasons straight. You call this justice? YOU HAVE NO PROOF!!! YOU ARE PROSECUTING ON SPECULATION AND HERESAY!!

I suppose you condone witch trials as well???

So then the police investigate, see no sign of child rape, investigate further and find out the truth, the entire athletic department was never fired in the first place since there was no legitimate evidence, and the rival school is implicated in a conspiracy. Sounds good to me.

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They are hired to coach football. They are not security guards, they received no observe and report training when they were hired.

I'm sorry, what? Almost nobody receives "Observe and Report" training. Does that mean that almost nobody has the qualifications to report child abuse without some...committee to report to to investigate whether or not your accusations are worth taking to the police?

Your logic is doing some impressive contortions right now. I suggest you have it join the circus.

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They want to coach football. When someone comes to you as a football coach and says I saw so and so assault a player, you send it to administration... THAT'S THEIR JOB, TO HANDLE IT.

I've dealt with this already. A university administration is in no way qualified to deal with child rape. Oh yeah. Derp derp.

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What's so hard to understand about the fact that the man was doing his job. You are trying to crucify a man because he didn't do what you feel in your innocent little mind was right. Circumstances change, and false reports happen all the time. It's not his job to investigate assaults, it's his job to win football games, which he did pretty well.

And neither is it my job. So, I guess it would be alright if I ignored child rape too then, right? This isn't about what his job was. This is about his responsibility as a human being to another human being (and a child no less).

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p.s. The Batlord raped me in the shower, arrest him please... No investigation needed, he's accused, that's enough to ruin his life. Take him away please. No seriously, I called the cops on you bro.

It's true. I did. And he liked it too. Derp derp.

midnight rain · 01-28-2012, 03:11 PM

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Your logic is doing some impressive contortions right now. I suggest you have it join the circus.

That's pretty funny man.

blastingas10 · 01-28-2012, 08:51 PM

I'll admit that he could have done more but I don't think he's deserving of the complete assault he's receiving. He's getting more flak than Sandusky himself and that isn't right.

Paul Smeenus · 02-22-2013, 05:34 PM

This thread ended prior to the Freeh report that pretty conclusively determined that Paterno was complicit in a terrible cover-up, and there were many more victims that didn't have to suffer at the hands of Sandusky were Paterno to worry more about kids being raped than Penn State football. I'd like to know if those who were defending him in this thread feel the same way now, knowing what we know. I would also ask them how they would feel if their young son was raped by Sandusky after the shower incident in 2001.

**Exo** · 02-22-2013, 05:46 PM

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This thread ended prior to the Freeh report that pretty conclusively determined that Paterno was complicit in a terrible cover-up, and there were many more victims that didn't have to suffer at the hands of Sandusky were Paterno to worry more about kids being raped than Penn State football. I'd like to know if those who were defending him in this thread feel the same way now, knowing what we know. I would also ask them how they would feel if their young son was raped by Sandusky after the shower incident in 2001.

This post is the equivalent of "neener neener I told you so".

Paul Smeenus · 02-22-2013, 05:55 PM

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This post is the equivalent of "neener neener I told you so".

Fair enough, except that I didn't. I wasn't here. But I would've agreed with The Batlord and Janszoon were I here.

The Batlord · 02-25-2013, 12:15 PM

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There is no doubt all that Paterno was a legend in college football. I do not think that there is anybody who had amazing skills in college football like him. I am going to miss you Paterno. R.I.P !

Yeah, cause the ability to train kids to throw and catch balls is what makes you a worthwhile human being.

Paul Smeenus · 02-25-2013, 12:33 PM

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Yeah, cause the ability to train kids to throw and catch balls is what makes you a worthwhile human being.

While I agree, as best as I know, if it were possible to overlook this terrible choice (it isn't) of prioritizing a football program over protecting innocent kids from a fecking predatory monster, JP did a lot of good things outside football (especially in academics).

But again, I agree. One bad decision can wipe out all the good in the world when it reaches this magnitude.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 06-27-2013, 01:50 AM

RIP best coach ever and great role model. His legacy will never be forgotten by true fans. Sad PSU didn't give him a fair shake when he practically built that University!!

01-28-2012, 08:11 AM	#31 (permalink)
~~Rubato~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Ireland Posts: 230	I don't know any of the details so I can't really comment but WTF people, stopping child abuse isn't above anyones pay grade. If your job involves children you do have a certain responsibility for them and making sure they don't get raped is pretty ****ing high up the list. It's not something anyone should turn a blind to.

01-28-2012, 08:51 PM	#34 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I'll admit that he could have done more but I don't think he's deserving of the complete assault he's receiving. He's getting more flak than Sandusky himself and that isn't right.

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~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	RIP best coach ever and great role model. His legacy will never be forgotten by true fans. Sad PSU didn't give him a fair shake when he practically built that University!!