anticipation

wow, i don't think i've ever been more flaccid than i am right now.

VEGANGELICA

The point is that the Independent Women's Football League (IWFL) isn't *trying* to turn anyone on like the Lingerie League women are. The IWFL athletes are simply people playing a sport they love to play. I wouldn't expect watching a sport...whether one with female or male athletes...to be a turn-on, anticipation.

The IWFL certainly has some fans, so I disagree with your statement that it "will never be watched," since that is false already.

Also, your perspective that no one wants to see "ugly" women play a sport is odd, because people who really love and respect and understand sports don't watch them because someone is considered beautiful or not...they watch them to see people overcoming obstacles through hard work and skill, within their skill range. That's my view, at least. Sports are about developing your personal athletic skills to the best of your ability. Winning is really a secondary issue, I feel.

Example: if a 7 foot tall man can dunk a ball in a basketball hoop all the time, I'm not too impressed. If a 5 foot tall woman makes a slam dunk sometimes...THAT impresses me.

The Lingerie Football League is no more degrading than being a pin-up poster and having people not care about anything other than your appearance.

I definitely find it degrading that the Lingerie Football League women are encouraged not to protect their skin, because the lack of jerseys increases the chance of skin abrasion and damage during tackling and skids on the turf:



And here's a good quote from a mom of one of the Lingerie League's players:The Lingerie League, not degrading toward women? Ha!

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Urban Hat€monger ?

No worse than what I can see in any bar on a Saturday night.

Anyway it's no more degrading that working some shitty job for as little pay as some employer can get away with paying.

Get some perspective, grown consenting women running around on a field in their underwear and getting paid for it is nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Can we get away from this extremely tedious 'woman should be precious flowers that should never be exploited or lusted after' fallacy and concentrate on some real issues instead that benefit everybody.

Thanks.

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VEGANGELICA

Since the thread topic is about the Lingerie Football League and what we think about it, Urban, I suppose you could get away from this topic...but that would mean you wouldn't come into this thread!

I agree women are very strong and are not "precious flowers" any more than any person is a precious flower, but I feel the issue of exploiting people isn't tedious at all. I feel it is very important. For example, people shouldn't have to work at some ****ty job for as little pay as some employer can get away with paying. That's an important issue. If like you say the Lingerie League Football is about as degrading as people being paid too little, then that means it is also an issue worthy of thought.

The issue is that grown consenting women might prefer to run around on a field playing football getting paid a lot for it without having to get cut up due to being told in their contracts to wear skimpy uniforms. The issue is that society doesn't seem to support women athletes as much as male athletes, and so women have fewer opportunities to make big bucks in athletics like men do without resorting to sexual tactics.

What *do* you feel are some real issues that benefit everybody? And if some issue benefits primarily women, why shouldn't that matter?

Anyway, I think all people are precious flowers. And there is nothing wrong with lusting. But when lust overtakes all other emotions, then I feel it probably is a problem...emotions like basic compassion for the women on the field getting skinned up because some men and women will pay to see that.

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Dirty

Yeah, that was a pretty obvious non-literal statement by me. Of course I didn't mean literally 0 people have ever watched it. But most people don't even know it exists. Most people couldn't even name a team. I bet not one person I have ever met even knows the league exists.

Uhhh... yeah. Call me up when that 5 foot woman dunks in one in your dreams.

Basically I view these women as people who are very athletic but not quite good enough to play a professional sport or be in the Olympics...Women who also happen to be sexy as hell... Who get to make a lot of money and still play football against other athletic girls. I just don't really see anything wrong with it. It's every person's choice whether something is degrading. These girls choose to play, knowing they are selling their sex appeal... They are comfortable with their bodies, they know they are hott, why not make some good money off of it?