Lighter reps yeah, not 8-14, that's not endurance levels, will return later with links, on mobile atm.

But 4-6 seems ridiculously low, bodybuilders don't train for strength, strength follows mass so if you've got stronger you've got bigger but it is not necessarily true that someone who is bigger than person B will be stronger than person B, that's why powerlifters, sprinters, boxers etc are small but strong for their size, and they train with low rep ranges cos they don't want excess mass, and you compare a powerlifter and bodybuilder of equal weight who do you think will be stronger? Something to do with the fibres being more expanded or something. Will get links later.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...0091523&page=1

All the guys on bb.com are saying the same?

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/topicoftheweek8.htm

This as well ^

I am not disagreeing cos yes as a rule of thumb lower reps focus on strength and higher reps focus on endurance but it isn't black and white. Bodybuilders will need a mix of all of them, + I don't agree 8-14ish would be endurance based. I would guess that gymnasts would do mostly very high reps and very low reps but very little in the 8-14 range.

8-14, when compared to 4-6 is endurance levels.

I'm telling you man, if you can only do max 6 reps then you're lifting for power.

Have you read that link?

Bodybuilders don't train for power. 8 reps isn't endurance, I don't want to come across as ignorant or stubborn but it isn't, anything over about 12 would be endurance but as I said before it is not black and white and it can overlap. 4-6 is too low if the goal is to build mass, as is mine. I don't care about strength.

...I just don't even know what to say here. Whats the purpose of mass without strength?

Lol are you serious?

What do you think bodybuilding is? Why would a bodybuilder care about strength? You are judged on size, conditioning, proportion, posing. Being the strongest doesn't win you anything in bodybuilding.

The goal of a bodybuilder is to build mass/lose fat, it is completely aesthetic, haven't you seen Pumping Iron?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WP7CrcNi93c

8:27 on that ^

Vanity fitness is not my thing.

Which is fine, but bodybuilding is mass without strength, whereas it's the opposite for powerlifting, that is strength with as little mass as possible, which is why they train in different rep ranges, they have different goals.

Do you compete in body building competitions? Where are those pics man?

I don't compete but I have been lifting weights since I was 17 (23 now). I had to stop in 2011 due to health reasons and am getting back in to it now.

Don't see why I should have to post pics though, I may post progress pics as I took some before I started again when I was very slim, there would be no point posting some now as I have not made much progress (started beginning of November), I haven't made any outrageous claims at all and accept I could be wrong on everything.

Except bodybuilding being a cosmetic sport based around aesthetics and not strength :p:

I'm at a computer now, what I was going to say earlier about the muscle:

Bodybuilding muscle:

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Powerlifting muscle:

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= More compact yet equivalent strength.

I found this too:

http://i673.photobucket.com/albums/v...g?t=1268067073

All the science in the world doesnt mean anything when people react differently to different things.

5 reps may work best for some, and others may stagnate and not get anywhere. I know some guys that are ****ing massive and pretty much just do body weight and cardio type stuff. Its mainly genetics and learning your body.