The American Football Thread

djchameleon · 03-30-2011, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Boozinbloozin

God if the niners get him im gonna be pissed! Really they should concentrate on their Q.B. dilema whether draft wise or in free agency whenever that gets resolved but either way..it def needs to be addressed.

If they get him can't they use him as a bargaining chip to get a better QB if they really think about it?

Bloozcrooz · 03-30-2011, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

If they get him can't they use him as a bargaining chip to get a better QB if they really think about it?

I suppose they could but if they get him id hold onto him and use someone else to bargain with. I wouldnt let him slip away he's a franchise investment definatley which is why I dont think he'll go past the 5th pick. The chances of getting him are slim to none I think but you never know..it could happen.

Thom Yorke · 03-30-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

What's this? A Vikings fan amongst us?

Blasphemy.

**** off. This disaster of a season would end this way. God I hate the Pack..

~~Dirty~~ · 03-30-2011, 01:04 PM

If I were the 49ers I'd try to trade for a solid veteran or sign somebody. Not sure who is all available but I am sure there are a few starter-quality QBs out there. And even though the 49ers are terrible, they are in the NFC West where anything is possible. It's always a win-now mentality in that division in my opinion. Even if they got a guy like McNabb, they'd be favorites to win that division or at least have a really good chance. For San Fran's sake I hope they don't reach for a QB with a high draft pick. We saw what happened last time they did that (terrible Alex Smith) and they are still paying the price.

As for my Falcons draft needs...

I love how their offense is built. The last handful of years they've drafted some offensive lineman who are starters now. I think their offensive line is fine, a good mix of younger guys and some veterans to anchor the center and right side. Michael Turner is 30 now, and running backs seem to always decline at 30. BUT he was a backup for years in San Diego so he hasn't taken nearly as many hits as most premiere 30 year old running backs. I'm really interested to see what he does.

-Just a quick thought on Turner. Do you guys have players like this on your teams? What I mean is that Turner always puts up great numbers (1700 yds in '08 and 1371 last year) but the guy plays with NO PASSION at all. He just doesn't want it. But I cna't hate him cause he has put up great seasons every year with Atlanta but he doesn't run hard at all. He just happens to have absolute tree trunks for legs and will pound you with 3 yard runs until he can break a tackle and go for 12 or 15 yards. I don't know, just one of those guys that's so frustrating to watch cause he'll pussyfoot at 250 pounds.

Anyways, back to my assessment of Atlanta. I thought Jerious Norwood was a great pick years ago out of Miss. St (running back). Speed guy who i thought would be a great asset, but he had some serious leg injuries and never got used much. I love their backup RB Jason Snelling, I hope he is used more this season. But in the middle rounds I'd love to see Atlanta get another RB and groom him a little bit. No huge expectations, just let him grow these next few years. Tony Gonzalez is awesome but he's obviously old. Atlanta run a ton of 6 lineman sets and twin TEs and stuff for running plays and their backup TEs are great run blockers, but I really hope they look at drafting a receiving TE. I think a good TE is so great for an offense and Tony's years are numbered. Michael Jenkins is GARBAGE at WR. He's been terrible for them, he's a total bum. Douglas is a good enough slot WR when he's healthy, but GOD PLEASE GET RODDY WHITE SOME HELP AT WR.

Biggest concern is defense though. Two years ago they had terrible LBs but Curtis Lofton is a name some may not know, but he is a stud at MLB. Love how he plays. They drafted Weatherspoon last year at OLB so i wanna give him time and see what he does, but atlanta REALLY needs 2 things in my opinion... Pass rushers and a safety. Last year they were able to get some good pressure with a 4 man line, but they need a dynamic player to blitz on obvious passing downs and get to the QB. Just not enough pressure right now and they can't blitz as much as they want to because their secondary is so weak. I actually really like Thomas Decoud at safety, but they need someone to play alongside him back there. It'd be great if they could possibly move up in the draft and get a safety. And also get some nickel and dime CBs, slot receivers kill them. I'm pretty happy with Robinson and Grimes at CB. They aren't the best but I think they are good enough. Grimes is from the small PA school of Shippensburg and has improved SO much this past year.

tl:dr - Improve pass rushers, secondary, and draft a running back, nickel and dime CBs, and possibly a receiving TE.

Thom Yorke · 03-30-2011, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

Just a quick thought on Turner. Do you guys have players like this on your teams? What I mean is that Turner always puts up great numbers (1700 yds in '08 and 1371 last year) but the guy plays with NO PASSION at all. He just doesn't want it. But I cna't hate him cause he has put up great seasons every year with Atlanta but he doesn't run hard at all. He just happens to have absolute tree trunks for legs and will pound you with 3 yard runs until he can break a tackle and go for 12 or 15 yards. I don't know, just one of those guys that's so frustrating to watch cause he'll pussyfoot at 250 pounds.

I'm glad I don't have that problem on the Vikings. Even when AP isn't putting up numbers in some games, the passion he shows for the game is unequaled. He's like the Ray Lewis of offense.

Turner is a beast though. He's a rare blend of size, power and speed. I never really noticed the lack of passion to be honest.

~~Dirty~~ · 03-30-2011, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

I'm glad I don't have that problem on the Vikings. Even when AP isn't putting up numbers in some games, the passion he shows for the game is unequaled. He's like the Ray Lewis of offense.

Turner is a beast though. He's a rare blend of size, power and speed. I never really noticed the lack of passion to be honest.

Turner kinda reminds me of Shaun Alexander back when he was still around and good. They run like a box on wheels (best way i can think to describe it). It's just frustrating cause he's so gigantic but has a tendency to not hit the hole and explode through it, but instead run through his linemans back and carry the pile for a 3 yard gain. At the end of the year he always has great numbers but I just feel like he could be even better, he just doesn't seem to want the greatness. If he has a hole though on like a slash type of play there he's running kinda between the tackle and guard toward the sideline, he's a boss at breaking tackles of secondary guys. His legs are so gigantic, they just slide off when they try wrapping him up and that's where he breaks his big runs.

I love Adrian Peterson. He is awesome, that dude gives it his all every single game and runs like he wants to kill anyone coming at him. Nobody has that speed and power combo like AP, I don't know how anyone could hate on a player like that. I was watching the Steelers-Vikes game when he caught the checkdown pass over the middle and steamrolled a Steeler (William Gay maybe??) and hustled out of bounds. He runs like a horse possessed.

pourmeanother · 03-30-2011, 01:34 PM

There should be QBs available for the 49ers if the situation gets resolved: Hasselbeck, Bulger, McNabb, Kolb, maybe Orton, Palmer... Definitely should look elsewhere during the draft.

Bloozcrooz · 03-30-2011, 02:10 PM

There are many teams with Q.B. issues but if somehow they got P. Peterson there is no way id trade him for one, nor would I try an trade up for one. Thats what I was getting at...Cornerbacks in the Nfl seems every bit as important as Q.B.s. There are just so few that can actually do their job consistantly and effectivley.

Which also reminds me..im pretty sure I heard that Cromartie with the Jets is a free agent and that more than likley they wont be able to keep him. He would be a nice compliment to any secondary. I wish Jerry hadnt blown his wad on signing Roy-im a big waste of money-Williams. Not that it matters now but it was a real bone head move on Jerrys part.

One more thing..how long has Carson wanted to leave the Bengals or was a year with Ocho and T.O. the final straw?lol

Thom Yorke · 03-30-2011, 03:52 PM

Speaking of CBs, I'd give my left nut to get Asomugha on the Vikings. In my opinion he's the best player in the league.

Bloozcrooz · 03-30-2011, 06:22 PM

Just saw on Sportscenter about a Tampa Bay Bucc shooting at his sisters boyfriend in a Dallas suburb...nice.

This is basketball but sports drama none the less. Jalen Rose got a D.W.I. awsome! He refused to take a breathalizer so they gave him a blood test...fail.

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03-30-2011, 01:04 PM	#974 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	If I were the 49ers I'd try to trade for a solid veteran or sign somebody. Not sure who is all available but I am sure there are a few starter-quality QBs out there. And even though the 49ers are terrible, they are in the NFC West where anything is possible. It's always a win-now mentality in that division in my opinion. Even if they got a guy like McNabb, they'd be favorites to win that division or at least have a really good chance. For San Fran's sake I hope they don't reach for a QB with a high draft pick. We saw what happened last time they did that (terrible Alex Smith) and they are still paying the price. As for my Falcons draft needs... I love how their offense is built. The last handful of years they've drafted some offensive lineman who are starters now. I think their offensive line is fine, a good mix of younger guys and some veterans to anchor the center and right side. Michael Turner is 30 now, and running backs seem to always decline at 30. BUT he was a backup for years in San Diego so he hasn't taken nearly as many hits as most premiere 30 year old running backs. I'm really interested to see what he does. -Just a quick thought on Turner. Do you guys have players like this on your teams? What I mean is that Turner always puts up great numbers (1700 yds in '08 and 1371 last year) but the guy plays with NO PASSION at all. He just doesn't want it. But I cna't hate him cause he has put up great seasons every year with Atlanta but he doesn't run hard at all. He just happens to have absolute tree trunks for legs and will pound you with 3 yard runs until he can break a tackle and go for 12 or 15 yards. I don't know, just one of those guys that's so frustrating to watch cause he'll pussyfoot at 250 pounds. Anyways, back to my assessment of Atlanta. I thought Jerious Norwood was a great pick years ago out of Miss. St (running back). Speed guy who i thought would be a great asset, but he had some serious leg injuries and never got used much. I love their backup RB Jason Snelling, I hope he is used more this season. But in the middle rounds I'd love to see Atlanta get another RB and groom him a little bit. No huge expectations, just let him grow these next few years. Tony Gonzalez is awesome but he's obviously old. Atlanta run a ton of 6 lineman sets and twin TEs and stuff for running plays and their backup TEs are great run blockers, but I really hope they look at drafting a receiving TE. I think a good TE is so great for an offense and Tony's years are numbered. Michael Jenkins is GARBAGE at WR. He's been terrible for them, he's a total bum. Douglas is a good enough slot WR when he's healthy, but GOD PLEASE GET RODDY WHITE SOME HELP AT WR. Biggest concern is defense though. Two years ago they had terrible LBs but Curtis Lofton is a name some may not know, but he is a stud at MLB. Love how he plays. They drafted Weatherspoon last year at OLB so i wanna give him time and see what he does, but atlanta REALLY needs 2 things in my opinion... Pass rushers and a safety. Last year they were able to get some good pressure with a 4 man line, but they need a dynamic player to blitz on obvious passing downs and get to the QB. Just not enough pressure right now and they can't blitz as much as they want to because their secondary is so weak. I actually really like Thomas Decoud at safety, but they need someone to play alongside him back there. It'd be great if they could possibly move up in the draft and get a safety. And also get some nickel and dime CBs, slot receivers kill them. I'm pretty happy with Robinson and Grimes at CB. They aren't the best but I think they are good enough. Grimes is from the small PA school of Shippensburg and has improved SO much this past year. tl:dr - Improve pass rushers, secondary, and draft a running back, nickel and dime CBs, and possibly a receiving TE.

03-30-2011, 03:52 PM	#979 (permalink)
Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	Speaking of CBs, I'd give my left nut to get Asomugha on the Vikings. In my opinion he's the best player in the league.