The American Football Thread

[jtwilliams]

Ya I wouldn't worry, Darrelle will play.

Edit: I believe either Mike Bell or Mike Anderson (both nobodies) put up a 250 yard game on the ground once under Shanahan also. I wouldn't pick any of the 'skins current guys in a fantasy draft though. Because as individuals I doubt they will have significant numbers. I mean c'mon there is 3 of em who are decent guys who have put up huge numbers before. I really wanted to see Portis stay healthy and get 250+ touches though, I think he can still put up good numbers if he's healthy.

[crash_override]

Wow, I knew the Packers were going to be good this year. But how about that performance in the last couple minutes of the first half last night? I know the Colts D isn't the best, but it got them to the Super Bowl. It was like once they got clicking and Rodgers got hot, they couldn't be stopped.

Colts also looked good at times, especially the first quarter. Peyton looked good except for that one pick, but it was a spy, Peyton thought he was coming on the blitz so you can't blame him too much. Overall I saw a lot of goods things and it was great to see my 2 favorite teams play at the same time and on the same channel.

[pourmeanother]

Originally Posted by eric generic

i'm not sure why you are reacting so harshly to a contract holdout. he is the best at his position and isn't getting paid close to that. he will be back for week 1 anyways. you have taken too much stock in the espn summer news cycle.

I don't think it's all that unreasonable to be frustrated by the guy at this point. I haven't watched ESPN since May, too busy. The Jets hold all the leverage, so I agree he will probably be on the field early in the season... but that's not resolving the situation.

[jtwilliams]

I don't blame him for holding out, hes the best Corner in the league and they paid both their LT & C already, who are good yes but best at their respective positions in the league? I don't know bout that one...

[crash_override]

Originally Posted by jtwilliams

I don't blame him for holding out, hes the best Corner in the league and they paid both their LT & C already, who are good yes but best at their respective positions in the league? I don't know bout that one...

It's not about that though, it's about a team that's trying to re-build signing one of their best players at a reasonable amount so they can have enough cap space left to sign some new talent if they need to. It's about giving your team the best chance to win. It's about one player thinking their salary is more important than the well-being and success of the team. That's the problem with most teams in professional sports, they pay their star players too much, then they can't afford to sign good supporting players. Or when they do have good supporting players, they leave to pursue star money somewhere else and stress THEIR salary cap. The system is ****ed, and so are the attitudes of most players today.

[debaserr]

Originally Posted by crash_override

It's not about that though, it's about a team that's trying to re-build signing one of their best players at a reasonable amount so they can have enough cap space left to sign some new talent if they need to. It's about giving your team the best chance to win. It's about one player thinking their salary is more important than the well-being and success of the team. That's the problem with most teams in professional sports, they pay their star players too much, then they can't afford to sign good supporting players. Or when they do have good supporting players, they leave to pursue star money somewhere else and stress THEIR salary cap. The system is ****ed, and so are the attitudes of most players today.

the system isn't ****ed. the nfl has the best competitive balance of the major sports in america. smart people have it down. look at polian.

[jtwilliams]

Originally Posted by crash_override

It's not about that though, it's about a team that's trying to re-build signing one of their best players at a reasonable amount so they can have enough cap space left to sign some new talent if they need to. It's about giving your team the best chance to win. It's about one player thinking their salary is more important than the well-being and success of the team. That's the problem with most teams in professional sports, they pay their star players too much, then they can't afford to sign good supporting players. Or when they do have good supporting players, they leave to pursue star money somewhere else and stress THEIR salary cap. The system is ****ed, and so are the attitudes of most players today.

Once the NFL started paying people that much money it was inevitable that the Player attitudes would change. Obviously every player is going to want to get as much guaranteed money as possible, why? Because any play could be their last, why should they play for less money than their worth and risk the injury? It's the NFL fault for not capped salaries, not the players.

Edit: They also just made Mangold the highest paid Center in the league, so what does that say to Revis? If you ask me its a big slap in the face. Corners are far more valuable than centers...

[crash_override]

Originally Posted by jtwilliams

Once the NFL started paying people that much money it was inevitable that the Player attitudes would change. Obviously every player is going to want to get as much guaranteed money as possible, why? Because any play could be their last, why should they play for less money than their worth and risk the injury? It's the NFL fault for not capped salaries, not the players.

Edit: They also just made Mangold the highest paid Center in the league, so what does that say to Revis? If you ask me its a big slap in the face. Corners are far more valuable than centers...

False.

I do understand what you're talking about. I'm just saying the league would/could be a better league with a little more balance if the salary cap rules were tweaked, not even necessarily changed. My general statement was in reference to all pro sports, and as trace said, the NFL is the most balanced of any pro sports.

As far as Polian and Irsay "having it down", I agree with that for the most part , but at the same time they still don't have an RB that can put up numbers on a consistent basis to take some heat off Peyton. They still don't have a reliable O-line, and outside of Wayne, they haven't replaced Harrison with another marquee receiver.

[pourmeanother]

Originally Posted by jtwilliams

I don't blame him for holding out, hes the best Corner in the league and they paid both their LT & C already, who are good yes but best at their respective positions in the league? I don't know bout that one...

Offensive line is extremely important in the NFL and the Jets unit is one of the best lines in the league. They are trying to protect Sanchez, a key investment. Mangold is one of the best young centers around, no shame in that deal at all.

Revis has shown for one season that he is the best corner in the league, and now he is asking for the largest contract in NFL history ($160M). I realize that none of that is guaranteed, but still... Just because Al Davis overpaid Asomugha does not mean that Revis should be paid more than most elite QBs.

Revis would make the D a wholeeee lot better, but I- like a lot of the team and coaching staff- am ready to move on without the dude if that's what he chooses. Cromartie and Wilson appear poised.

[debaserr]

Originally Posted by crash_override

False.

I do understand what you're talking about. I'm just saying the league would/could be a better league with a little more balance if the salary cap rules were tweaked, not even necessarily changed. My general statement was in reference to all pro sports, and as trace said, the NFL is the most balanced of any pro sports.

As far as Polian and Irsay "having it down", I agree with that for the most part , but at the same time they still don't have an RB that can put up numbers on a consistent basis to take some heat off Peyton. They still don't have a reliable O-line, and outside of Wayne, they haven't replaced Harrison with another marquee receiver.

if they especially wanted those things, they would have them. it is obvious they have chosen to save in those areas. and i would point more towards the o line than the RBs we have. addai is excellent. garcon is on his way to becoming a marquee player.