The American Football Thread

~~Dirty~~ · 07-28-2011, 08:38 PM

I don't think their D is really good, their secondary is still so-so and they need pass rushers. Their offense is basically their defense by controlling the clock and scoring a ridiculous amount of points. Haynesworth will be great on 3rd down for them because when he is trying he is one of the best pass rushing tackles in the league.

I hope so much Jets sign Asomugha. Revis AND Asomugha?!?!?! WTF that'd be awesome. Plus I root for the Jets. Falcons fan first and foremost but my family is all Jets fans and I pull for them in the AFC. And I love Rex ryan.

I don't think Ocho will be huge for the Pats, but they don't need him to be. He'll fit his role perfectly and that locker room is the most controlled locker room on the planet. You won't hear him being his crazy self with Tom Brady and Bill running the show. Pats are seriously geniuses with everything they do, it's just not fair lol.

debaserr · 07-28-2011, 08:53 PM

Their secondary is young and it will be much improved this year, especially with their beefed up front 7. A Wilfork/Haynesworth tandem is scary good.

I doubt the Jets land Asom... They can't afford the price he wants. Only way it happens is if he takes a big pay cut. They also want to avoid pissing off Revis(they won't spend more on Asom), who is probably the better player of the two.

~~Dirty~~ · 07-28-2011, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic

Their secondary is young and it will be much improved this year, especially with their beefed up front 7. A Wilfork/Haynesworth tandem is scary good.

I doubt the Jets land Asom... They can't afford the price he wants. Only way it happens is if he takes a big pay cut. They also want to avoid pissing off Revis(they won't spend more on Asom), who is probably the better player of the two.

I don't know man, I think they are in the drivers seat right now. Texans just sign Jonathan Joseph so it's really only the Bucs and Jets in the sweepstakes. I think they would spend a little more on Asom than Revis and I think Revis would get over it. I think Rex is pushing as hard as possible for him and I think the Jets are gonna sign him. I think from Asom's standpoint, he can make pretty much just as much money in NY than with the Bucs and he'll get plenty of balls thrown his way unlike in Oakland.

I don't know if anything I said will happen, I'm just really, really excited at the prospects of this happening. First and foremost, I am a sports fan and I really appreciate greatness...and just imagine the Jets defense if they get Asom. I seriously think it has legit potential to go down as one of the all-time great defenses given Rex's insanity with blitzing and having the two best corners.

debaserr · 07-28-2011, 09:30 PM

I'm rooting against it, my Colts don't need the hassle.

~~Dirty~~ · 07-28-2011, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic

I'm rooting against it, my Colts don't need the hassle.

Yeah man, whats up with Peyton's neck, you think he'll be alright?

I'm also rooting for Asom to Jets because if he doesn't go there, it's probably the Bucs and my Falcons dont need Roddy going toe to toe with Asom 2 times a year. Bucs are already scaring me a little bit even without Asomugha. NFC South is lookin like one hell of a division here in a few years.

debaserr · 07-28-2011, 09:59 PM

He will be 100% by week 1. I'm more worried about how our team is constituted. Polian bet on Cover 2 / 4-3 Personnel. I'd much rather have a blitzing 3-4. Lets take a look at the last 10 champs...

8 of them ran 3-4. The exceptions being Indy and Tampa.

~~Dirty~~ · 07-28-2011, 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by eric generic

He will be 100% by week 1. I'm more worried about how our team is constituted. Polian bet on Cover 2 / 4-3 Personnel. I'd much rather have a blitzing 3-4. Lets take a look at the last 10 champs...

8 of them ran 3-4. The exceptions being Indy and Tampa.

3-4 seems to have taken over the 43 as the preferred defense. You can be so much more clever with blitzes in the 34. Falcons still run a 43 and big surprise, they can't get to the QB half the time. plus 34 stuffs the run better. Only teams with bosses at defensive end should run 4-3 IMO.

Peyton better be good to go because I don't think Indy has much after him. Bob Sander signed with the Chargers, any thoughts on that??

debaserr · 07-28-2011, 10:10 PM

Obv we are dead in the water without Peyton. If he(bob) manages to play all year and they beat us in the playoffs I will be livid. Until then, good for him. We payed him so much for so little the past few years.

Thom Yorke · 07-29-2011, 07:46 AM

If the Jets get Asomugha, there would be almost no point in passing against the them. Both him and Revis are capable of taking a whole side of the field themselves. It'll allow the Jets to focus so much more on the run game, and it's not like that was too shabby to begin with. Seriously, just give them the Superbowl if they make this happen.

There are alot of Revis fanboys lately, but I still think Asomugha is in a league of his own. We aren't that far removed from what I think was the best season by any player in NFL history, not just cornerbacks (Asomugha's 2008 season), and he's at the top every other year too. I'll take that over Revis' one amazing season and another couple good ones.

As for the Vikings, wow that sucks to lose Rice. I wasn't getting my hopes up for the playoffs with him, so this really just takes the wind out of the sails. The Seahwaks are getting a great receiver who's among the very best at deep balls and jump balls. Randy Moss without the speed, I've always thought.

Getting McNabb is pretty good (always been a fan), but I kind out just want to see them blow it up. I understand them not wanting to though. AP only has a few more years left as the top RB, and K-Will and Hutchinson are getting up there. Even our other best players like Allen and Greenway are just in their primes now. Tough position when your best players are all in win-now mode, but you don't have the roster to back it up.

Pats of course doing what they do best in picking up troubled players with loads of potential. Haynesworth will obviously line up on the outside as they have Wilfork in the middle already (plus Haynesworth would bitch about it if they moved him to the middle) so it'll be interesting to see how he does there. Not sure how Ochocinco will fare. The Patriots have taken chances on the guys that are known trouble-makers, but have never been very vocal. Well, I guess Moss was, but Ochocinco takes it to a whole new level. I wouldn't really classify him as a trouble-maker though. Still, it'll be interesting to see how Belichick deals with it.

And another couple comments on two other teams. First, WTF was Arizona thinking??? A 2nd (and probably a high one at that) and athletic freak Rodgers-Cromartie for a guy who isn't even a proven capable starter? The Eagles are SUCH an athletic team, on both sides of the ball. And are the Dolphins really planning on using Bush as the full-time back? That's a recipe for disaster. The Saints won't miss a beat with Sproles.

debaserr · 07-29-2011, 06:19 PM

Nnamdi to Eagles 5yr / 60mil. They have a pretty sweet secondary now, with him, Asante and Rodgers-Cromartie.

07-28-2011, 08:53 PM	#1012 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	Their secondary is young and it will be much improved this year, especially with their beefed up front 7. A Wilfork/Haynesworth tandem is scary good. I doubt the Jets land Asom... They can't afford the price he wants. Only way it happens is if he takes a big pay cut. They also want to avoid pissing off Revis(they won't spend more on Asom), who is probably the better player of the two. __________________ Last.FM

07-28-2011, 09:30 PM	#1014 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	I'm rooting against it, my Colts don't need the hassle. __________________ Last.FM

07-28-2011, 09:59 PM	#1016 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	He will be 100% by week 1. I'm more worried about how our team is constituted. Polian bet on Cover 2 / 4-3 Personnel. I'd much rather have a blitzing 3-4. Lets take a look at the last 10 champs... 8 of them ran 3-4. The exceptions being Indy and Tampa. __________________ Last.FM

07-28-2011, 10:10 PM	#1018 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	Obv we are dead in the water without Peyton. If he(bob) manages to play all year and they beat us in the playoffs I will be livid. Until then, good for him. We payed him so much for so little the past few years. __________________ Last.FM Last edited by debaserr; 07-29-2011 at 02:57 PM.

07-29-2011, 07:46 AM	#1019 (permalink)
Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	If the Jets get Asomugha, there would be almost no point in passing against the them. Both him and Revis are capable of taking a whole side of the field themselves. It'll allow the Jets to focus so much more on the run game, and it's not like that was too shabby to begin with. Seriously, just give them the Superbowl if they make this happen. There are alot of Revis fanboys lately, but I still think Asomugha is in a league of his own. We aren't that far removed from what I think was the best season by any player in NFL history, not just cornerbacks (Asomugha's 2008 season), and he's at the top every other year too. I'll take that over Revis' one amazing season and another couple good ones. As for the Vikings, wow that sucks to lose Rice. I wasn't getting my hopes up for the playoffs with him, so this really just takes the wind out of the sails. The Seahwaks are getting a great receiver who's among the very best at deep balls and jump balls. Randy Moss without the speed, I've always thought. Getting McNabb is pretty good (always been a fan), but I kind out just want to see them blow it up. I understand them not wanting to though. AP only has a few more years left as the top RB, and K-Will and Hutchinson are getting up there. Even our other best players like Allen and Greenway are just in their primes now. Tough position when your best players are all in win-now mode, but you don't have the roster to back it up. Pats of course doing what they do best in picking up troubled players with loads of potential. Haynesworth will obviously line up on the outside as they have Wilfork in the middle already (plus Haynesworth would bitch about it if they moved him to the middle) so it'll be interesting to see how he does there. Not sure how Ochocinco will fare. The Patriots have taken chances on the guys that are known trouble-makers, but have never been very vocal. Well, I guess Moss was, but Ochocinco takes it to a whole new level. I wouldn't really classify him as a trouble-maker though. Still, it'll be interesting to see how Belichick deals with it. And another couple comments on two other teams. First, WTF was Arizona thinking??? A 2nd (and probably a high one at that) and athletic freak Rodgers-Cromartie for a guy who isn't even a proven capable starter? The Eagles are SUCH an athletic team, on both sides of the ball. And are the Dolphins really planning on using Bush as the full-time back? That's a recipe for disaster. The Saints won't miss a beat with Sproles. Last edited by Thom Yorke; 07-29-2011 at 09:15 AM.

07-28-2011, 08:38 PM	#1011 (permalink)
~~Dirty~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: USA Posts: 981	I don't think their D is really good, their secondary is still so-so and they need pass rushers. Their offense is basically their defense by controlling the clock and scoring a ridiculous amount of points. Haynesworth will be great on 3rd down for them because when he is trying he is one of the best pass rushing tackles in the league. I hope so much Jets sign Asomugha. Revis AND Asomugha?!?!?! WTF that'd be awesome. Plus I root for the Jets. Falcons fan first and foremost but my family is all Jets fans and I pull for them in the AFC. And I love Rex ryan. I don't think Ocho will be huge for the Pats, but they don't need him to be. He'll fit his role perfectly and that locker room is the most controlled locker room on the planet. You won't hear him being his crazy self with Tom Brady and Bill running the show. Pats are seriously geniuses with everything they do, it's just not fair lol.

07-29-2011, 06:19 PM	#1020 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	Nnamdi to Eagles 5yr / 60mil. They have a pretty sweet secondary now, with him, Asante and Rodgers-Cromartie. __________________ Last.FM