A new young England team that have hardly played together against a Welsh team who have 13 players playing week in week out for the same club team.

The result was hardly a surprise.

A Welsh team entirely consising of the ospreys....I mean come on so many great players from sides like Newport, the Cardiff Blues, The Scarlets and side consisting of 13 Ospreys, that's ONE Welsh team against a selective team from across England. Same could have been said for us if England won. No, Fair is fair, Victory was due in that second half, We were down 16 - 9 when I left for the pub coming out of the first half, playing away, With a full Ospreys side (Which wether or not we can call a good thing is debatable) and we came back and made it a game to be remembered. It was a fair victory to a deserving team. Regardless of wether or not we want to sit here and be blindingly patriotic. I'd have probably taken R-T's attitude but I wouldn't have made any excuses for us if we'd lost.

First time away in 20 years playing England away, Was a long time coming and an inevitability at the end of the day, and It made great for the gig I had that night. :)

And considering I've opened up a can of worms now and ofcourse one of you is going to be blindingly patriotic, Ill have to finish on a blindingly patriotic note.

*ahem*

I won't make any excuses, except to echo what Urban said.
We'll see how you get on against England when the team have playing experience as a working unit.

Just except it mate, You lost and there's no excuse for it. We put out a CLUB team, and lest you think that's a good move it's usually not folks. Out of all the BETTER players that could be found in the Cardiff Blues, The Scarlets, Newport etc. You'd be talking through your backside if you said our side was only stronger because we put out a club side. That right there is a DISadvantage. Now you can sit here and say you put out a side of youngsters and I can sit here and say you selected a side of youngsters selectively from every Club side in England and they lost to the Ospreys. Because If what Urban said is true and it wasn't just because he was looking for excuses. Then he can admittadely accept that England didn't lose to Wales, England lost to the Ospreys, England lost to a Welsh club side, England lost to a side that consists of not even our Capital, But the lesser populated accumilated efforts of Swansea and Neath. Am I correct in saying this and this being less shamefull? (That's right, bull**** it is) You could sit here all day and debate as to why every player in that English squad might have been at a disadvantage in that game, why the game was in our favour BUT at the end of the first half I believe the ball was in your court lads. The Welsh side came out on top in a fair game of rugby because they played fantastically well in the second half, there's no way that can be discredited. That is quite simply what happened. And anyone who says otherwise, without a doubt is simply blinded by patriotism.

Now tell me what I'm missing here, but as far as I'm aware I watched that game and I didn't see England being at any stronger disadvantage and If you guys want we can leave it there...

End of the day I can see this as one of those debates that's impossible to end, we could sit here and argue circles around each other about everything from the weather to the capabilities of each player in both sides until our fingers bleed, Just the same as could have the events proceeding the match if England have won but i'd much rather this be seen as simply a match in which both England and Wales put out a two sides picked selectively by both sides and Wales came out on top this time at the end of the day and this time round we came out the better side.

There's no excuses for that, that's just what happened in this particular match.

This raises an interesting question.
An organised club side V. International team.
Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but logic tells me that if you field a team ('team' being the operative word...rugby is a team game) against of group of selected individuals who have rarely played together (as a team) and in this case a young team at that.
Which team would you put your money on?

Now introduce Englands defeat as a learning curve for a young team, who in time will improve with every game (as a team) and eventually you have a group of players playing together with a club mentality at International level.
Like I said before...We'll see how you get on against England when the team have playing experience as a working unit.

Unless of course your claiming your win was a fluke?

Ofcourse not, what I'm saying is it's very very much open to debate and I'd rather just go get some sleep whilst Josh isn't playing up. Maybe we shall see and maybe that was the case but then again maybe it's not and maybe recognition is due to the Welsh side for simply playing to a better standard on this particular occasion.
But like you said we shall have to see, There's always the question of wether or not both the lineups could have been circumstantially better picked, fact is I believe that we truly earned the win in that second half regardless and that shouldn't be dismissed by any account.

And it is debatable because at the same time it can be said that regardless of how much experience each side had a selective side of players for an English lineup against a club side, regardless of how much experience the club side players have of playing together should have been able to come out on top, you can call it a fluke I suppose but from what I saw the Wlesh side played a fantastic second half and deserved that final result.

I'd say the person who picked theAttachment 2657side to play that particular England team should get the recognition...he knew what he was doing.

Ah see another low blow in an act of desperation from an Englishman trying to justify their crushing defeat. :p

Which reminds me, for the best handling I've ever seen of someone dealing with that unfortunate stereotype, Look up Rhod Gilbert in youtube and find the gig he did in England, Should be one of the first ones. T'was a brilliant response.

Anyway mate. I'm done with the Rugby Banter, I'm nackered. Ill get back to music in the morning. We'll get back to this next time, when you can try and justify two consecutive losses to me ey? ;)

Aye...later mate. :)

Is that the same Welsh club side that won the Magners league last season?

Y'know it's funny but you talk to any irish/scots/welsh rugby fan they always go on about how that league is far superior to the English Premiership.

In fact Cardiff Blues finished 2nd last year & Llanelli Scarlets finished 4th.
So the majority of your squad is basically made up from 3 of the top 4 teams from a superior league.

So when I say I wasn't expecting a young England side who have hardly played to get a result against opposition like that how is that disrespecting the Welsh side?

It's amazing how English fans are always being accused of being arrogant because we expect to win everything. And when we do concede that our team isn't as good as it has been in the past and will struggle to get results we STILL get accused of being arrogant.