You would actually take Wade over Bron?
I think Wade is an outstanding player and one of my personal favourites. But Lebron is the most spectacular thing to happen in basketball since #23.

To me that's just the hype talking, it's like he has to better than everyone else and there is no other option.

Dude 30, 8, and 7 last year? You can't argue with that.

Look at what Wade's done this year, with the improved jumper he's the (barely) superior offensive player, and although he's not the rebounder Lebron is he's just as good an all around player. He's been just as good as James statistically this year, he was injured the past couple seasons.

If you take Wade, expect him to play no more than 50 games for you haha. This guy flies through the air without regard, hence why he has been out for so many games in his career.

2 years ago that was the knock on him, but I've watched the Heat closely to see how he'd do and he's got a vastly improved jumper. Once the Heat pick up a sharp shooting free agent or draft pick he won't have to take as many hits because of the kickout options.

He cant change the way he plays, thats what makes him such a great player. You take that away, and you take a lot away from his game.

Both are great but if you're a GM in 2010 LeBron is your #1 target. Period.

True, he'll always take a beating, but the reason he's scoring more is his jumper has improved so he takes less of a beating. He'll still make those ridiculous drives to the basket just less of them.

Made this a while back, watching sportcenter often I can't help but think this still holds true.
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HAHAHAHAHA! How many games have the big 3 played together this season?

I honestly don't know if they have. But its really bad, every time i watch them I see atleast 1 of them on the bench with a suit on.

The Lakers were the superior team out there, the Celtic's starters looked good, but the Laker's bench dominated.

The Celtics are missing Posey. Also watch out for them Cavaliers, they're creeping up to that first place spot.

Sorry, but the Cavs don't have the depth to compete with the Lakers/Celtics. Good defensive team, but they lack the firepower to compete with the top two teams in the league.

I dont think they lack any firepower..I love what the Cavs are doing this year. They also have some extra firepower no other team in the NBA has. His name is LeBron. And yea yea, Kobe, Garnett etc. Not the same. Although I admit, on the christmas day game..Kobe turned it up and looked a little more like he did last year. However, he doesnt need to do that as much this year and thats why they've got the record they do.

Yeh, the Cavs have Lebron, a mediocre, end of the road center, a shoot first point guard who doesn't have as much range as we first though...

Z is fantastic, and it showed how good he was when you watched the cavs play without him. I was on the "get rid of Z" bandwagon a couple of years ago, but as someone who watches essentially every cavs game, he is the next most vital piece next to LeBron. Calling Mo a shoot first point guard who doesn't have much range takes a lot away from him. His niche is that pull up mid range jumper. Delonte West shoots the 3s. Our ONLY weakness is a lack of offensive skill from the big men besides Z.

Boogie Gibson is a stud. And Ilgauskas is still one of the best true centers in the league. They come pretty deep off the bench as well with Szczerbiak, Delonte, Williams, and a coach's dream in Varejao. I think you're underestimating them a little.

Don't forget Sasha Pavlovic who's got the most potential out of all of them.

Ah shit, How could I have forgot about Sasha..im a a big fan of him. Hes a real player.

He's the reason I'd like to see Wally dealt for a big guy. While I like what Wally's doing, he just simply doesn't have the skill on the defensive end to be there for us in the playoffs, plus I'd like to see Sasha play more. And just a LITTLE more production from down low would put the Cavs over the top.

Just think: The Celtics arguably got worse from last season with the loss of Posey and the Cavs are significantly better than last season and they STILL pushed the Celtics to 7 games last year. If Paul Pierce hadn't played the game of his life, they wouldn't even have made it out of the second round. Now I'm a biased Cleveland fan, but right now I'd take the Cavs to come out of the East.

Im not sure the Celts got worse. I dont think too much of Posey, and Rondo is turning into one of the best points in the league.

Z still gets dominated by stronger, more athletic centers, and while that isn't a huge weakness now, when Bynum and Gasol come to town I think you'll see just how overmatched the Cavs are up front. The Lakers have a deeper, more talented bench, a stronger front line and a better star player (Sorry Lebron, Kobe's still got you there).

I'm a big Posey fan, but that's a good point, Rondo is probably better than Ray Allen to be honest.

And do you think Bynum/Gasol can score from the mid range like he can? Between Varejao and Wallace there's plenty of defense to cover LA's big men. The only two who really give Z troubles are Shaq, Yao, and with the way Dwight Howard as played this year probably him. The only one of those Z will see in the playoffs is Howard, and I think the Magic are still one good starter from being an elite team.

Gasol can score better from everywhere, including three.
Too bad they're both offense liabilities (Less so for Varejao, but he's too small to compete with Gasol and Bynum around the rim).
You really don't think a long physical, athletically gifted player like Bynum who will only get better as the season progresses won't give Z fits in the low post?
Agreed, I think Courtney Lee was an excellent pick and if he and Nelson continue to develop apace the Magic will be just as good as the Cavs and Celtics in 2-3 years, maybe even next year.

Z has actually been money from 3 this year, though he rarely goes out there. Mid range Z is better, period.

Varejao is 6-11, athletic, and tries harder than anybody... he can handle Gasol and Bynum

Most of Z's scoring is from jump shots, turn arounds, tip ins, and hooks. Rarely does he back somebody down and take it to the hole, so no, I'm not worried.

Also the Cavs looked like shit tonight, and couldn't make a shot to save their lives. It didn't help that the refs had no idea what was going on.

Can you back that up? Show me some stats that say Z has a better midrange game than Gasol.

He's not strong enough or long enough to match up with Bynum, and he's still an offensive liability.

I know he can score, my questions are about defense and rebounding.

Can you show me some stats otherwise? You're the one that said Gasol could score better from everywhere... (Don't though, both are great scorers, and if one really is better than the other, it's not by much)

Ben Wallace is the offensive liability. Varejao is competent enough to score.

Z play solid, not great D, and can grab boards too. There's a reason he's the Cavs all-time leading rebounder you know.

Gasol scores more and takes the same percentage of midrange shots as Ilgauskas.

He can make open layups, unlike Wallace, but he can't score back to the basket.

Which isn't saying much...I know he's competent defensively and considering the lack of 'true' centers, one of the best in the league, excellent scorer, but bottom line the Lakers are deeper, bigger, stronger and more athletic on the front line. Their backcourt is better too...I can't see a single area of the gvme, except maybe defense in the halfcourt game, where the Cavs are better.

Which is saying so much!!!


Lakers>Cavs, end of discussion

L-Train baby!!! Cavs stuck it to the Celtics tonight, no Ilgauskas needed.

Big ol' win last night, that was great to see. In the words of KG, ANYTHING IS POSSSSIIIBLLLLLE!

Fuck KG

Until last night, I had no idea Sam Cassel was still on a team haha.

Well, well, having fun watching the game boys?

Having fun beating a team that's missing two starters lol? It doesn't help that Bynum goes at LeBron's throat.

The Lakers were down when I made the comment...The Lakers have just as many injuries as the Cavs anyway.

2 starters? Um no. The refs aren't calling shit tonight either. It really hurts LeBron's game. It doesn't help that for some reason LeBron continues to think that he can jump shoot well...

Odom, Farmar and Walton are worth more than Snow, West and Ilgauskas.

Two back ups are worth more than two starters who happen to be the Cavs' best big man and best 3 point shooter? The Lakers are good and deep, but you're getting a bit delusional my friend.