I literally have no idea how or why you thought I was comparing the two. I was dismissing the notion that the shot from Ray Allen in game 6 was a once in a lifetime shot, it's just not. I agree it's very rare, but there have been a few others like it, "The Shot" for one-which is why I brought up Jordan.



This statement right here is COMPLETELY irrelevant to this discussion. This is called appealing to emotion and that's a logical fallacy. The Bulls relied heavily on Jordan until Pippen showed up, so what the hell difference does it make where a team gets their scoring from??
This statement is just that...just a statement that serves no other purpose than to make people angry about the Heat.This statement is the exact same emotional appeal bull**** as the above statement. The lack of good teams in the Eastern Conference outside of the Pacers, Heat, and maybe the Hawks has absolutely nothing to do with how good the Heat are. I don't know how you think this is relevant but it's just not relevant at all.






here's 5 random articles that support Chris Bosh, Dwyane Wade, LeBron, and Allen as future Hall of Famer's.


NBA & ABA Leaders and Records for Hall of Fame Probability | Basketball-Reference.com
Predicting Which Current NBA Stars Will Make the Hall of Fame | Bleacher Report
NBA: Top 20 Active Players with Best Chances of Making Hall of Fame | SPORTS LIST OF THE DAY
Chris Bosh among 18 active players likely to make Hall - NBA - Ian Thomsen - SI.com
20 Current NBA Players Bound For The Hall of Fame | The Hoop Doctors

That link from Bleacher Report is two-years old-You got that? When Bosh was 28 he was still talented enough to be considered HOF material.

The most important of those links is the first one, which lists the probability of every player in the league for getting into the Hall of Fame based on certain criteria that is aggregated to a single percentage. Here's a list for the Heat players if you don't want to find them out individually:

Dwayne Wade: 99% probability
LeBron James: 99% probability
Chris Bosh: 96% probability
Ray Allen: 94% probability


For comparison, here are the Spurs..
Tim Duncan 99% probability
Tony Parker 89% probability
Manu Ginobili 12% probability

Also, here's something another member said about the Heat..



Despite your (unfounded) belief that the Spurs are superior to the Heat talent wise, the Heat undisputedly have 4 HOF-caliber players on their team, and the Spurs really only have 2 for sure (Ginobili is on fence for the Hall of Fame depending on who you talk to.)

Neither does yours if you can't express what it is you disagree with.

Saying "you don't know anything about basketball" expresses nothing and is rather immature if you ask me.

I never came in here and said "I know everything about basketball". I even insisted that I didn't watch all the games in between Miami and Indiana.

I am just simply stating MY opinion and perspectives.

I might not be a basketball guru but I know enough and watch enough of it to form an opinion which I am entitled to have.

^ even though I'm mainly an NHL fan I will dispute the relevance of counting HOF candidates. The Spurs primarily win with smothering team defense ala 1988-1990 Pistons. That team only had 1 HOF'er (Isaiah Thomas, Dumars would be on the fence) yet won titles.

I think this series will go seven. I hate to say it but realtalk has me rooting for Miami (to the nominal degree that I care). I do think the Spurs are the only team that can beat the Heat, so it could go either way.

LeBron haters need to get over the damn press conference.

Yeah but defense isn't particularly accolade worthy hence why defensive-oriented players rarely are inducted into the hall of fame. And don't get me wrong, I do not mean to be use the HOF candidates as the end-all of team caliber, but a player's high-HOF likelihood is usually at least a moderately good indicator of a player's talent.


Also, to go into more detail, Chris Bosh was the face of the Toronto franchise for 7 years before he came to Miami. Someone like Ginobili may be able to claim at least part of the face of the Spurs franchise, but not in the same way Bosh can for Toronto. When you think of the Spurs, you usually associate it with Duncan for the most part, especially at the defensive end.

Part of Ginobli's greatness is tied to his ability to rise up and play his best in the playoffs. Hes certainly streaky, but i'd say hes hall of fame caliber, but is currently short on numbers. Tim Duncan will always be the face of the franchise til he retires. Bosh has a few more years to earn his credentials also in my eyes, but is certainly talented enough. I give the nod in coaching to Pop, which is why i believe it goes seven.

You said that after being called out for talking about what happened in a series you didn't even watch. That is just one example of you talking out of your ass.

Also WPNfire just explained for me why almost every point you made on the last few pages is garbage,.

:)

Okay I realized I wrote that.

I did watch some of the games in that series though but I did not watch the entire series like I normally would have. I don't even know if I want to watch the game Thursday. I am scared to watch it. After that mess that went down over last summer I vowed to never watch the NBA ever again. Seriously. I get to emotional lol!


I am interested in hearing some of your opinions since you know "so much" about basketball.

Also just because someone did not watch every game in a series does not mean they know nothing about basketball. You still have yet to support your opinion.

I agree with you about Ginobili playing out of his mind in the playoffs. Just in this past OKC series after Ibaka came back, Ginobili suddenly appeared from nowhere, like in game 3 when he made 6/9 on his threes including 5 in a row and one in particular from like 6 feet beyond the arc at the end of the first half-that was simply ridiculous.

I think I can clarify.

We think you have no objectivity whatsoever when the discussion involves the Miami Heat. We think you, and likely the people around you from what you've posted here, just hate LBJ and can't or won't get over the press conference (which was revolting but hey, let's move on). We think that you are exposing yourself as nonobjective as hell when you make statements that Miami "just barely" beat Brooklyn (as if that matters) when the Heat beat 'em 4 games to 1, two of those 4 wins being by double digits and one of them a complete and total massacre (again, as if that matters). We think you're letting your Heat-hating flag fly by calling Ray Allen (a fantastic player for years in Seattle and Boston before joining the Heat) "lucky" when he in fact, caught the pass, stepped behind the three point line, squared up and cold-blooded NAILED that three pointer.

You want lucky shots? Here's TWO of them back to back, one of them by the great Tim Duncan



Let's all complain about that.

*standing ovation*

O God I am losing my mind.....


Yes Ginnobuliiiiiii

No I think your assumption is wrong.

I just choose not to bow down to an overrated team that the NBA chooses to market as the best when they simply aren't.

I choose not to drink their "kool aid"

The Miami Heat will be exposed in this series just like they were last year.

I am not even tripping about the press conference. I just don't think The Heat are the best team in the league despite what the NBA tries to perpetuate. There are much better teams in the league. For one thing, Miami does not compete against nobody to get to the Finals. Who is their competition? Indiana? Who Else? The Western Conference have more competitive teams and teams that are better scorers. If you look at the statistics of the teams the Western Conference teams score way more compared to in the East and are more harder to beat compared to the East.

I never said they barely beat Brooklyn. I was talking about Indiana. They are always "struggling" to beat Indiana and Indiana is no where as a good as Spurs or Thunder. If they were all of that they would sweep Indiana or would beat them in a game 4 not in game 6's or 7's. I never tried to imply that Indiana was this "great team" but if Miami is struggling to beat them in game 6's and game 7's that means that they are a "competition" for them and have the same opportunity to beat them just as Miami does.

I never said that Ray Allen was a bad player. I respect Ray Allen and his talents but I be damn if I sit here and act like that lucky shot was not just that a "lucky shot" or fluke in . 5 seconds left in a game and Spurs are up by 5 points

How the hell you lose a game and you up by 5 points and there is ONLY . 5 seconds left??????????

The NBA rigged that I don't care what anyone says



ALSO,

I think its disrespectful how the NBA compares Lebron to MJ. MJ did not have to go to Bulls to get a championship. It was 7-8 years before MJ won his first championship. He waited and built a team around him unlike Lebron. He did not have to join another team with superstars just to get a championship. MJ was also way more talented and it is just ridiculous and disrespectful how the NBA compares them.

I don't fall for the okie doke, you want to go right ahead


I am not going to insist otherwise because that was what it was. The Spurs should have won that game. The Spurs DESERVED to have won the championship last summer NOT the Heat.

You prove me right with every word of this.

This proves nothing.

What is your reasoning for this?

What do you disagree with?

The only thing this proves is you can not support your argument

My argument was that you are completely incapable of a rational objective discussion on the topic of that basketball team. Liteally every word of the prior post proves that.

What is it that you disagree with?

I gave you examples and explanations to support my opinion.


This doesn't support anything.

Again, this proves nothing.

F%^& the NBA they letting Lebron get away with files

Finally Lebron gets called on a file. I was getting worried.

The league needs to apologize for that miserable environment tonight. A 90 degree temperature for a game played indoors, is not something you should have to gameplan for. Regardless of who won-and that was a thoroughly entertaining game-I don't feel good about the outcome of that game given the temperature the players were forced to deal with.

I'm not saying call the game off, but the league definitely needs to apologize for this.


...And I hope the Heat have nightmares tonight about Danny Green in last year's finals and they come prepared the next game to deal with him.

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CLOSE IT OUT First game

Heat 95- Spurs 110

Now I'm going to bed.... woooh my voice is horse. Yay Spurs :thumb:

LeBaby

*sigh* It has nothing to do with disagreement. This is where you always end up when confronted with your own psychosis. I won't pursue is any further as it's like trying to hold a coherent logical discussion with the lady pushing a shopping cart with twenty-five cats.

Your position is either a. Spurs win, or b. Heat cheated.

That's just pathetic.

Welcome to my ignore file.

The spurs did cheat though. Tim Duncan poisoned Lebrons Gatorade. Why do you think he was the only one overheating and getting cramps?

Lol. Look, I'm definetely not a bandwagon LeBron fan and the guy definetely gets away with all sorts of antics on the court that I don't think anybody should get away with (i.e. Flopping), but to be asked to be taken out of a game? What other time has he done that? Clearly, this was real.

Agree

I dont dissagree at all. But it doesnt change the fact that seeing him getting carried to his seat was hilarious. All I can now say is Jordan played with da fluuuuuuuu and balled hardddd. I just dont get how they didnt work out the air situation beforehand. Or have backups or something, i mean wtf.....?

I could care less. I just asked for you to explain why you felt the way you did. Making judgments and insults does not express anything but immaturity.

There were multiple fouls Lebron made that were not called tonight.

LBJ is no Jordan. No one is. Not even Bird, Magic or Kobe.

Agree.

It was hilarious because he always whines when he doesn't get his way. When he doesn't get his foul or get a call. He flops and whines.

MJ never did nothing like that.

I would just like to say I'm also apposed to comparing the two, but I'd like to dismiss the notion that playing under adverse circumstances is unique to Jordan. LeBron scored 61 points recovering from a broken nose and wearing that awkward face mask.

/this discussion.

Alright yeah that was a bit hilarious.

Guess I'm still mad-not just that the heat lost when they were up in the 4th, but also Mario Chalmers had a dreadful game and of course, the temperature in the building.

IDRGAF who wins, I agree that those conditions were awful. I was reminded of the 1984 game 7 in Boston, that may have been even worse.

Old School Spurs Pics

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I love this pic
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Wow check out the long locks on Ginobili. Actually, forget that, he actually HAS hair in some of those pictures.

Look at David Robinson the softest seven footer to ever play the game. San Antonio really took it to them in the last 9 minutes. Without Lebron, Miami really looks like a suspect team. I'm picking the Heat to win game 2 however. San Antonio can't expect Danny Green to carry them in the fourth quarter again. Looking for a big game from D Wade, as he goes so do the Heat.

Was embarassed for Lebron. NBA players should be able to withstand hot conditions. All of these guys have played in 85 degree conditions when they used to street ball, there is just no excuse for not hydrating enough to withstand the heat. Gatorade>Powerade

micheal jordan left the finals with cramps before.

All bron bron has to do is take his headband off and go into fierce deity mode for the next game

Several things:

1. Gatorade apparently tweeted something that made fun of LeBron after the game last night.

2. I'm suspicious if LeBron didn't succumb to drinking too much to offset the heat and then cramping because of that.

3. I don't know if anybody saw it, but Wade absolutely SCHOOLED Duncan last night along with basically all of the Spurs players. He looks a lot like his old self.

Because I'm bored, I'll dismiss this drivel for fun.Um, who is 'the NBA' in this sentence? If you're talking about the front office, they show absolute no favoritism for the best team. They WILL however market the Heat over the Spurs because the Heat are just simply more profitable. It has nothing to do with how good they are though. Same thing with the Thunder, who have a huge fanbase and the highly popular Kevin Durant. Duncan is popular, but the guy never says anything and he's kind of uninteresting to the media and thus is not nearly as marketable. There's other reasons why but the point I'm trying to make here is that the heat are highly marketable because they are popular, etc.
Yet another reason I think you have no idea what you are talking about.

See above.

Realtalk: 1. makes wild accusations
2. accusations get torched.
3. Ignores criticism and repeats accusations

...I've already ravaged this argument earlier.



LOL :clap::clap::clap::clap:You've outdone yourself somehow, realtalk. This is the definition of unbelievable.

I'm done. I'm thoroughly entertained with this. Haha.

' Like I was saying, it's like trying to have a rational, coherent discussion with the shopping cart lady with twenty-five cats. I've got her on ignore and I'm done with it.