My point was Miami killed them, game wasnt even close. They are the better team and only have the Pacers to worry about.

okc had westy just comin back and playin limited minutes tho


if both teams are healthy it will be a great series. i think okc wouldve taken the west last yr if westy was healthy.

so jason collins became the first openly gay major sport athlete to play in a gm last nite


good for him, really


but watchin the highlights of the gm was kinda funny. they were showin him settin a screen, grabbin a rebound, etc. like who cares, hes never been a good player. hopefully this story kinda fades and his teammates dont have to deal with dumb questions every day.

Some predictions for the next few years:

Heat threepeat
Both Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love will join the Lakers
The 76ers will be perennial contenders within a few more seasons
Anthony Davis will become the best big man in the NBA (hes already almost there lol)
Duncan and Kobe retiring will usher in a new era in the western conference where the Thunder, Rockets, and Clippers are the best teams instead of the Spurs, Lakers, and Mavericks like its been the past decade
The New Orleans Pelicans will win an NBA championship in the next five years
Marcus Smart will be a mega bust while Dante Exum will be elite
Kevin Durant will only get one ring in the next five years

Thats all I got.

Already Over for Lakers and Mavs. Dirk and Kobe are done, and have been for a little while now.

Yeah true, I just don't want to call the era over yet until all those big names are officially retired although it's pretty clear that the Lakers and Mavs have fallen pretty far out of contention at this point. Amazingly the timeless Spurs just never seem to go away though, I wonder what that team will be like when Manu and Timmy retire.

funny that i see u guys postin in this thread as im literally watchin the lebron highlights from the 2012 eastern conference finals, game 6 vs boston.

if ur in the basketball mood watch those highlights because lebron was in a special zone that is rare to see. i was alsow atchin lebron rookie highlights from a late season game vs new jersey. the aggression and fluid nature of his game as a rookie was just absurd, u never see a rookie play like that with that type of confidence and skill

anyways, danny granger is gonna be a free agent.... maybe to san antonio????? could be a nice pickup for someone but it just seems like theres so few legit contenders this yr. heat and pacers, spurs and okc?? clippers too but what are they gonna do late in games with deandre jordan?? i feel like its real hard for them to score sometimes against good teams. houston i dunno yet, they seem uncertain with who should be playin at certain times

okc is gonna run the west for a really long time and i think they will always regret the harden deal..... still makes no sense on any level to me. but i have said for 2 yrs and will continue sayin that serge ibaka is probably the most under rated player in the league. hes developed a really silky jumper for his size.


hmmm i can agree with all of that.... i honesty think miami could like... 6 peat.... that might be a stretch but i mean i wouldnt be shocked, its just a matter of keepin their fire lit over the next few yrs. even as wade fades to the sunset, lebron and bosh with a new crop of shooters around them is plenty for a championship... and who knows but oden is lookin really good considerin the time he took off and hes still really young all things considered


anthony davis is an absolute stud. i am interested to see how his body changes over the yrs cause he still doesnt look like hes grown into his shoulders?? but hes a freak of nature and has a ton of skill at that size and length. hes gonna be one of the few big who can take you inside and outside and protect the rim, maybe the only guy left soon.


im gonan add julius randle into the bust list with smart. i can just see them both bustin

btw raymond felton got nabbed on gun charges.... could the knicks be any more of a mess?? seriously. theres no way melo stays in new york. melo to the bulls, im gonna call that now

I still think his greatest game ever was that Boston game, especially considering the implications on his legacy if they had lost.

His second best game ever was that Pistons game. You know the one I'm talking about.

He was that good as a rookie because he's maybe the most gifted physical specimen alive. Is there anyone else on the planet that can come close in terms of pure speed, strength, and size? I feel pretty confident assuming that he's probably the fastest 6'8"+ man that has ever lived.

Granger would be a solid leadership and outside shooting pickup for basically any team. I could even see the Heat looking at him, but I've heard rumors that they want Caron Butler instead, which would also be an excellent signing.

The NBA is definitely very obvious this year. There is absolutely no question in the East, it would be one of the biggest upsets in the history of the sport if the Pacers and Heat don't meet in the ECF.

The West is almost definitely already decided too. I think OKC is almost a lock for the WCF with how Durant is playing, and the Spurs are also very likely but I could see the Rockets or Clippers overthrowing them. No one else in the West has a chance imo.


Another upcoming rookie that could be solid but not great is Noah Vonleh. I know he goes to my school, but he's an excellent rebounder and is averaging almost 10 a game with only 26 minutes which is pretty great. I could see him being a Kenneth Faried type of guy because Vonleh's not that tall, so not a star but a solid contributor.

Such a shame Timmy is going to retire without his 5th deserved ring that was stolen from him.

Thunder is way better than overrated Miami.

They were just immature when they played Miami because it was their first time getting to the Finals. I don't see Miami winning again if they play them again unless a similar situation occurs like last year where the stars and planets were aligned for Ray Allen to hit that miracle shot. Lucky shots like that do not happen EVERY single time.

Kevin Durant is humble, not arrogant and very talented. He is a GREAT role model for young boys especially young African American boys.

spurs had their chance and they blew it. all they had to do was make foul shots and they choked. plus if ya wanna talk about lucky shots, parker had a lucky one to end game 1.

thats the reason they got ray allen, to knock down 3s. lebron hit a gigantic 3 pointer right before that too. the spurs dared lebron to take jumpers and he obliged by turnin the weakest part of his game for years into a strength. it was a chess game that had no moves left and lebron rose to the occasion


a lot of ppl think durant is a little fake. with all the tats he has and stuff but not on his arms or whatever. i disagree and love durant but lebron is incredibly humble and a great role model as well.

id be really excited to see a thunder vs heat finals again

There were two fouls that the ref did not call.

If the refs are not calling fouls then there is but so much you can do.


The point is Miami played HORRIBLE game 6, period. Lebron did not raise to anything in game 6. He choked like he always does.

They know they won that championship by the hair on their heads. They are NOT the best team in the league and they were not better than the Spurs in my opinion.


Lebron is the complete opposite of humble. He is very immature and he has made a ton of insulting remarks. I do not think as a "personality" he is a good role model. Boys should not think it is cool to make fun of players injuries or to throw tantrums when you do not get your way.

I always hear Kevin spoken highly of. I have meant people who know him personally. He is from my area. He seems like a really down to earth young man that has a big future ahead of him in the NBA.

both ticky tack fouls that were good no-calls given the situation



well, except that miami won. so i guess they choked themselves to a win? i agree it wasnt his best performance which is funny cause here was his line for the night

L. James 32 Pts, 10 Reb, 11 Ast, 3 Stl, 1 Blk


that is pretty much all untrue. hes one of the most humble superstars you will ever find and a terrific teammate. every kid could look up to a guy like that because hes extremely humble and selfless.

Chris Bosh fouled Green when he went to shoot the three and Ray Allen clearly fouled Manu when he drove to the basket. The ball fell out his hands. Green was hit in the face.

Those were fouls that SHOULD have been called... period.



Well I think the circumstances are important more than the fact that they won. Now if you gave a statistic that said Miami won by 20 pts, 10 pts, 5 pts etc then yea maybe they deserved it because that showed that they played better and showed up.

However, I think it questionable the circumstances that allowed them to win during that game.

How does a team lose in 5 seconds when they are up by 5 points???

Then two fouls were clearly ignored and not called.

That seems shady to me.

I think NBA purposely did that to push a game 7.

That is why I do not watch the NBA anymore. I really hope the Miami do not win this year because they should not have won last year and they are just overrated.

They won because of circumstances not necessarily because they were the better team.



I do not think someone who makes fun of another players fatal injury is a good role model
I do not think someone who bashes the middle class just because they lost is a good role model
I do not think that someone who throws a tantrum when they get called for a foul or when they lose is a good role model
I don't think someone who obviously is self centered and only cares about a championship and not their teammates is a good role model
I don't think someone who bashes Michael Jordan for no reason is a good role model


How is that teaching children about sportsmanship and character?
You think Lebron is a better role model than Kevin Durant?

Definitely not.

It must be sad being so pitiful that you blame the refs when your team gets outplayed when it counts and loses the finals. I mean damn that's as pathetic as it gets.

I am not blaming anybody. I am just trying to figure out why the refs did not call those two fouls

The NBA violates their own rules when it benefits them lol

Whats the point in watching if they are going to violate their own rules?

It is not real basketball...

whose fatal injury did he make fun of?? lebron doesnt throw tantrums more than any other nba player. theres a reason guys like ray allen and shane battier come to play at miami - cause lebrons a great teammate. theres no other guy in teh league who ppl wanna play with. so thats totally false. and he hasnt bashed jordan for no reason either. i think youre hater shades are causin you to stretch the truth a little bit here. i know that we tend to forget that celebs are still real ppl but cmon.... he dealt with soooo much ridiculous, over the top hate and criticism his first yr with miami. for him to make a little half comment in anger after just losin the finals about the middle class is pretty ridiculous to hold against him.

considering the hate, pressure, criticism he's received and combined with the absolutely unprecedented hype he had since high school, its amazin to me that ppl like you would be willin to point to such small, petty comments as a reason to hate on the man.


that was a foul on allen on ginobili but youre makin it out to be like it was a concerted effort to not make that call. the reality is that things happen super fast and those calls are missed all the time. the fact is that no ref wants to blow the whistle in that situation regardless of the teams in the event that they would make the wrong call. it has always happens and will always happen in the future. refs swallow their whistles at the end of games and everyone knows that.

bosh's was a little closer but probably a foul too. again, same situation. very close to call in tha tmoment and refs swallow whistles at the end of big games and thats not ever changin.

your spurs choked, not miami. if ginobili woulda hit a foul shot, they woulda won. if leonard woulda hit one they woulda won. if they had grabbed that last rebound in game they win. they just didnt get it done and miami did

Him and Wade were publicly making fun of Dirk's injury the first year they became the brought team.

Dirk called Lebron ignorant

and then Lebron apologized...smh

This was all over espn, how did you miss it?



Oh yes he does.

When he gets called for a foul he acts like the whole world is coming to an end.

How dare the NBA call a foul on King James lol

He is so arrogant.

Ray Allen went over there because he wanted a ring before he retires and Battier went over there for a ring.

TRUST and believe they did not go over because Lebron is such a great teammate.


I would go over there to if I knew they were making bad calls for them to win, thats a guarantee shoe in



They asked MJ what he would have done differently to block a shot that Lebron made and MJ explained what he would have done. He said he would have forced Lebron to drive with his left hand since that was his weaker side.


In a interview, a reporter told Lebron what MJ had said and for some odd reason Lebron took offense to it and shaded him. He said he was good with his left hand and the way you drive to the basket does not make you more a less a player. THEN he had the audacity to say that no offense to Jordan but Bill Russell has the most rings and blah blah blah blah... he was cleary shading Michael Jordan because of his innocent comment.

I personally thought it was disrespectful because MJ was not shading him at all. A reporter asked him how he would have defended Lebron and he just answered the question.






I am not a hater.

I just think he has done and said some questionable things.

The criticism he received his first year on Miami was deserved in my opinion. I think he could have left Cleveland in a better way than he did. It seemed really arrogant.

I don't think it is ridiculous because we are the middle class. HIS FANS are the middle class. The majority of the people that show up at the NBA games and support the NBA ARE the middle class.

You do not make comments like that and not expect for people to feel a certain way.

He is very arrogant and not likable.

I was shocked when he said that. I did not think he would stoop THAT low.

Just total disrespect

You can not make comments like that and expect for people to like you


They are not small petty comments if I am giving you reasons for why most do not like him. They obviously are not small if his antics have turned people off from him.


They replayed it though and the commentators even said it should have been called.



I think they purposely did it to push a game 7


Little close? He smacked Green in the face lol and when a foul is on a three pointer shot that is a automatic call

How can you choke when you are up by 5 points in less than 5 seconds? lol


The NBA rigged that game lol


You're right but it still does not change the fact that 2 fouls were not called and you and me both know that makes a difference.

The number of dumb things said in the above post is probably some sort of world record.

You can dislike LeBron all you want, but stop acting like he's definitively unlikable. His popularity has increased tremendously since that first year at Miami. Everyone in the NBA respects him as a player and a man (besides the outliers like Dirk clearly) and you should too.

ummmm... by losing... thats pretty much the definition of choking is it not??


i obviously wont change your mind but i just find fans like you to be head scratchin but lebrons response to jordan that you just posted wasnt even rude. like at all.


and dirks cough wasnt a 'fatal injury'. like i said earlier ppl like you reeeeally reach and stretch to find things to hate on.


ray and battier went to miami cause lebron is one of a kind - a superstar scorer who gets his team mates consistent easy looks. he is the ultimate team player, im not willin to even take any other statement into consideration about that

You also forgot Cleveland owner and 49 states in USA that did not want Miami to win the championship according to the NBA poll.


I am not hating on Lebron. I am just tired of people giving him a God complex as if he is so perfect he can not be criticized. I am tired of the NBA marketing Lebron as the next MJ and insisting he is better than him

There are legitimate and rational reasons for the criticism he gets.

Miami did not score in those seconds.

The NBA purposely made calls and did not call fouls so they could score.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for a team without rigged NBA ref calls to lose in less than five seconds if they are up by five lol


If the Spurs were playing another team, those two fouls would have been called.

Dirk had to step out a game because of that leg or knee injury so I do not think that is hardly "small" or something to minimize and even if it was just a small injury it is immature to laugh at someone's injury

Why are you justifying his immaturity?



You Miami fans are hilarious lol

Yall make it seem like Lebron just wins all those games BY HIS SELF and has no help... smh

He definitely was not the reason why they won that championship...Ray Allen was.

Which is why Ray won Finals MVP over LeBron, I totally forgot

Why did Lebron bring up the number of rings Bill Russell has in order to belittle MJ's comments if he was not trying to shade him?

Sounds like shade to me.

What did the number of Bill Russell's rings have to do with MJ's opinion?

Lebron needs to sit down with his two brought ring self.

OH MY GOD. It's always SSDD with you isn't it!?

How so?

I just think Timmy deserves one more ring before he retires.

i will respond the the discussion later but just lettin everyone know there is a great double header startin in a few mins on espn


pelicans vs mavs


rockets vs clips

YES, I KNOW. You've made that EXPLICITLY clear MULTIPLE times. All I've seen you do on this thread is bash LeBron and the Heat, and whine about the Spurs not winning a championship because the Heat cheated and got all the calls and...

I just don't want to hear anymore of that.

Anyway. lol. That's hilarious. This is a good time to talk about the glaring problems with the Knicks though.

1. Stoudemire is GROSSLY OVERPAID for his level of talent, and the Knicks are now stuck with him for quite some time after signing him to an INSANE deal.

2. Smith is a loose cannon, literally and figuratively with all the shots he puts up, and can't stay out of trouble.

3. Felton either can't stay out of trouble or goes off the deep end during the offseason.

4. 10:1 odds Melo WILL leave the Knicks after this season, so NY will be star-player-less, which means that...

5. The Knicks have got to understand that they will never get past the Pacers or the Heat with their current roster, and so they should start rebuilding NOW with Anthony leaving. AND a good place to start rebuilding would be trading away Melo for a pick in this year's INSANELY deep draft class, but it's too late for that obviously...

Regardless of whether the Knicks say they are competing or rebuilding, they're doing a TERRIBLE job at both: Using a ton of their cap space signing Stoudemire, and then passing up an opportunity to get another pick for this year's insanely deep draft class.

To me, the Knicks are tied with the Lakers for making some of the most boneheaded decisions this year.

Gosh, who will be lucky enough to land Melo and his 20 second jab step.

realtalk after this i think im done talkin with you because i find you to be inane and ridiculous with your basketball thoughts.

-lebron wasnt shadin jordan, hes done nothin but praise him. ppl like you hang off of jordans nuts but the reality of the situation is that the nba promoted the hell out of mj and loved him because he took the game global. if you dont think jordan got a ton of calls or that the bulls wouldnt have got the exact same call the heat got in the finals then youre outta ur mind

-the fact that you called dirks injury fatal..... lol.... i think thats all we need to show how bad u reach for ur hate

-every player has help (see hall of famers dennis rodman and scottie pippen) but theres no doubt lebron makes average players good and good players great. see his entire career with the cavs for evidence


-nobody in the history of sports has ever had the pressure of hype that lebron has had and he has somehow surpassed it all and went above and beyond. him and jordan will be the 2 greatest ever and its a shame you cant appreciate that because of ur hatred and irrationality. youre missin out.

-your notion that miami choked by winnin makes zero sense lol. please realize the things you have typed, they are insane.

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wpnfire, i too think knicks screwed up by not dealin melo. knicks have had 20 yrs of poor management and bad contracts. worst of all they have no assets to trade. they literally cant even improve because nobody wants to go to that mess of a franchise, and even if they did the knicks dont have the money or players to trade. amare is on a max deal i think and he comes off the bench.

felton literally might be the worst point guard in the league so i think his arrest is a blessin. jr smith has always been a complete loose cannon and his time needs to be done. the only bright spot other than melo is tim hardaway jr whos looked smooth as a rookie and chandler. there is just no reason for melo to stay on this trainwreck. i hope for everyones sake he leaves because melo is one of 3 guys in teh league who can totally take over a game. hes so talented its unreal. i used to think he was part of the problem but lately im realizin hes the only one even keepin the knicks mildly relevant

Moss I think you can officially say Denver got the better end of the Melo trade, considering Melo is never going to play for the Knicks again lol.

Just some facts for everyone:

Since Westbrook came back from injury, the Thunder are 0-3, and each of those three games were at home. They have given up 114 ppg to opposing teams during this stretch. One of those losses was also to the CAVALIERS.

Facts.

Hey butthead can I ask you one more question?

Do you think that Lebron has every said or done ANYTHING questionable?

If not, do you think he is perfect?

Because that is pretty much what I am getting from your posts.

i think okc will be fine but westy is a tough guy to re-adjust to. hes sometimes wreckless but hes just totally balls to the wall constantly and hes so ball-dominant. i think he would be one of the toughest guys to have come back in the lineup when everythin was previously rollin along. i think okc will be fine and last yr in the playoffs it was obvious that they need westbrook when defenses clamp down and start doublin durant


i think he coulda handled leavin cleveland differently but i will never understand the rabid hatred followin the decision. hes at the very top of the pop culture pyramid, he wasnt gonna hold a press conference in his garage about it. in hindsight he even said he woulda done that differently. but for the masses to crucify him so hard and for so long over that is completely mind bogglin to me. unless youre a cleveland fan i dont understand why its gotta be somethin to hold over someones head forever. ppl literalyl act like he killed someone

and then after that everythin was under a microscope. ppl like u can try ur hardest to take petty, small things out of context to make him look bad but at the end of the day you arent bein a realistic or reasonable person. like the "not 1, not 2, not 3...' thing.... it was a jokey thing at a heat pep rally event lol. and ppl took that sooooo seriously. funny how now its actualyl a possibility tho.

and look at you hangin on jordans nuts like everyone does. full disclosure i love jordan. hes the best to ever do it at least til lebron is done. i realize he represents more than just what he did on the court - he took the game global and that era can never be repeated. but jordan is a HUGE ******* and always has been. he still is... but you wanna make him perfect in the same way that you say i try to do that with lebron. so what gives?????

Yeah not bad unloading the entire team to the Knicks. Look how that turned out. I love Melo but he never seems to make the people around him much better. Goes into ball hog mode like Kobe too often. hell of a scorer but so lazy on defense.

Well Melo just blocked James in the Heat-Knicks game on right now (currently a horrendous blowout). Melo also dunked over James too in this game.

melo can be lazy on defense but those things can be masked when you have other defenders on the team. the problem is that new york has no idea how to assemble a team. melo is in a class of very few elite scorers in the game, the fact that he isnt a shutdown defender shouldnt matter that much

its the fact that the knicks have put other terrible defenders around him.

felton = worst point guard defense in the league
jr smith - no defense
bargnani - one of the worst big defenders
amare - never has played defense

you just cant win with that many holes on defense and thats obvious. knicks are in a world of hurt when melo leaves.



i watched the pelicans last nite.... what a dissapointin and terrible team they are. it was brutal to watch them toss ball after ball into the stands and play selfish hero ball and miss layups.

i know ryan anderson is out but they just have a host of guys who drive the lane and fire up bad shots. tyreke evans, we are lookin at you bud. they just dont have the pieces to compliment each other at all. lots of injuries this yr but i dont see how rivers, holiday, evans, and gordon can all play together. changes are gonna need to be made

I agree with you but that's why Melo will never be elite. one player playing lazy defense can be the difference and it rubs off on the other players. Also, when Melo was in Denver you knew when the ball got to him it was going to stop. So the other players would stop running around and trying to get open knowing it was useless and it became 1 on 5 ball. I'm not a Melo hater, I didn't boo him when he came back to Denver, he put the team on the road to 10 years of playoffs (disappointing as they were). But he has some pretty big weaknesses when it comes to building a championship team.

The Pelicans went crazy mode with spending and trades and assembled what basically seemed like a Rising Stars team of just really young high upside prospects. The problem is that they have no one guiding them and they're too immature and have too bad of a coach to be taught how to play together. I think Anthony Davis alone will be able to make them a contender within a few years, but I think they REALLY need to trade Tyreke and Gordon somehow. I think Jrue Holiday is almost an elite point guard when healthy and that's harder to come by than mediocre ball hogging guards like Tyreke and Gordon.

jrue has been hurt so its not fair yet to say how the team will be when healthy. but i think a major problem for them is that they have no veteran leadership. a young coach, no vets, i can just sense that nobody is keepin the young guys in check and showin them what it takes to succeed in the nba.

davis is a legit stud and maybe between him, holliday, and anderson they can be somethin. i actually like tyreke just as a bench guy but in the 2 recent games ive watched hes wildly went to the rim every time he got the ball and missed/got blocked/threw the ball away. i really dont think theres a spot in there for gordon once jrue is healthy and i dont even think theres a place in the league for rivers. rivers and evans cant shoot at all and they dont pass either lol.



somethin nobody seems to be talkin about.... do the lakers have their first rounder this yr?? if so, they are gonna get a really high pick in a loaded draft. paired with kobe and gasol could the lakers revive themself next yr??