Literally all terrible players except moe who is average


Jordan left the bulls n they were a playoff team

Lbj left the cavs and they were one of the worst teams ever




Only lbj haters would criticize someone for wantin a chsmpipnship too badly

Well what's your argument that they weren't good players next to Lebron? Even Butthead admitted that their play was in compliment of his, which essentially means that I'm right since that's what I was arguing. LOL

I'll give you the same deal as Yorky. What's your argument that they were terrible players. I don't think if they were terrible that they could help the Cavs to win 66 games. Again, Lebron was their only star, but that team had a lot of depth. The Bulls were a deep team that had two star players, so I don't get what your argument is here, other than that you think for some reason these guys suck.

bulls had two star players...and then one of the greatest defensive players ever (Dennis Rodman), one of the best 3 point shooters of the era (Steve Kerr), literally three capable 7 footers at one point

LeBron's best Cavs team had...a broken down Shaq...Mo Williams who made an all star game and then never even started again (he currently comes off the bench for the Trailblazers)...a 34 year old Antawn Jamison...and uh...Booby Gibson?
uh yeah...clearly comparable supporting casts.

Excellent point, excellent, and excellent all around!

I hate how people make it seem like Lebron just win games by his self.

If he won games by HIS self how come he could not take his team to a game 7 while he was at Cleveland during Finals?

Why couldn't he get a championship at Cleveland if he won games by HIS self?

LBJ fans are hilarious...

I hardly ever agree with Forward to Death but I have to give props where it is due. All his posts in here have been truth.com!!!!

I wasn't comparing their supporting casts, though, was I? I was saying that Lebron's wasn't terrible, and it wasn't. Damon Jones was a great 3 point shooter, Sczerbiak, Ilgauskas, Williams and Ben Wallace were former all stars, Hughes was a former all defensive first team player.

It is nothing wrong with wanting a championship it is just the way he did it. He could have left Cleveland with more class and respect.

Honestly couldn't care less how he left Cleveland, or even the fact that he did, he just isn't as good as MJ. When he leads the league in scoring for 10 straight years, or wins a championship on a team that isn't assembled from FAs, then we'll talk.

I am seriously considering leaving this forum because of the unprecedented amount of idiocy I am reading right now.

I pretty much agree with this too.

Either way, he is still no MJ.

You're underestimating the significance LeBron James has on a basketball game. He literally does make his team better because of his passing, (7+ assists, and Jordan averaged only 5 per game) defenses are now trained to obviously look for him everywhere (Jordan couldn't shoot a three, James can) leaving his teammates open. These factors are in play every second he's on he court, and James played around 40 minutes when he was in Cleveland, and missed at most only 5 games a season. Also LeBron was playing de facto point guard in Cleveland (as he does now).

Also, Cleveland suffered the worst drop in wins in NBA HISTORY when James left. They didn't drop 1 or 2 spots when he left, they went from LEADING THE EASTERN CONFERENCE in wins, to LAST PLACE. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this: LeBron James. Made his Cleveland team. Good. It was him. And only him. That made them good.

I no longer know what is being debated here.

I sometimes wonder if I will ever see a Nugget championship in my lifetime. Not looking likely.

Not since Melo bailed.

Ty Lawson, Melo, and Gallinari would be an INSANE starting lineup if they played on the same team.

Jordan didn't need to pass bro, that's why he led the league in scoring so much. The fact that he averaged only about 1.5 assists per game less than Lebron is actually kind of surprising.



Lebron shoots 34% from 3, MJ shoots 33% from 3. Fwiw, Lebron is a better 3 point shooter, but it isn't by much. Neither were ever great 3-point shooters at any point of their careers.

And Michael Jordan's factors were also on the court, the exact same factors, except he was much more overpowering offensively, and every bit as good a passer or shooter as Lebron. No one says Lebron isn't great, I think he's going to retire as one of the all time greatest players, he just isn't on the same level as Michael Jordan. He doesn't have the stats or accolades, and those are tangible things. They're facts.

Agreed. Add in Faried and Chandler and even Mozgov as a big guy and you would have a team.

But again, no superstar wants to play in Denver. That's the problem with the NBA right now.

Hey man, I like you, and I'ma let you finish, but I wasn't talking about MJ vs. LeBron. I was talking about how LeBron's team in Cleveland was terrible. You can't deny that. None of them were capable of carrying the team without him.

I used the assists stat to show that he was critical to his team's success.

I used the fact that he played nearly every game of the season to show that he had an effect on indeed, nearly every game of the season.

Also my entire point of this conversation is saying that LeBron James made the correct choice in leaving Cleveland, and I don't even think it had anything to do with the team: it was how the coaching staff was using LeBron James himself that doomed any chance the Cavs had to be competitive.

You know what, new topic: All Star starters

Wow Stephen Curry made it as a starter. Good for him.

Can't believe Kevin Love isn't starting.

I am sure that if he had voiced his concerns to his coach and maybe put more emphasis on building a team around him instead of making it an individual accomplishment, he probably would have eventually had great players around him.

Yeah because its that easy!!! "Hey coach i want some good teammates!!!" "K lemme snap my fingers and bam!!! Supastar squad!!!"

You people make the comments sections on ESPN sound like a bunch of phds

IN OTHER NEWS!!
Joe Johnson is having the worst season of any all star in the history of the NBA. Meanwhile Kyle Lowry has been the best point guard in the east this year unquestionably and did not make the allstar team.

Meanwhile in the West, Anthony Davis aka the future Tim Duncan 2.0 wont be playing in the ASG either.

The selection method for the game is a joke

Lawl they gave him old shaq and old jamison


He left to win rings. He won rings. He won more mvps. It was a smart move. Get over it

Well it never affected me in any way because I was never a fan of him even when he was on Cleveland.is So there is nothing for me to get over. I just think that he could have left the team more gracefully instead of making such a big deal about it.

Also, I just don't understand some of the premise here with Lebron being such an all around player when he had to go to another team just to win a championship.

Once again, MJ had a similar dry spell but built a team around him. Lebron got with some players just to win a championship. If he was the greatest ball player in the world why would he need to do that?

Yeah it's fun hahahaha. We're (Kansas University fans are) so spoiled that we have two high draft prospects.

Come again? This draft class is gross? Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, 7-footer Joel Embiid who improves every game...this draft class is pretty special. It's better than last year's which basically just had Ben McLemore (Also from Kansas hahaha). And I've never heard of Exum...

Yeah, well you make Dane Cook seem witty and clever. OHHHHHH BURRRRNNNN.

yeah lets make fun of a multi millionaire comedian because our tastes are far too intellectual to enjoy someone as petty as dane cook

Isn't that what you're doing in this thread, making fun of millionaires? Except the ones you're making fun of actually have talent.

The only people ive made fun of in this thread are the people posting in it.

Orly.

Talking trash about people who have more money than you man, that's not acceptable behavior, and nullifies everything you say, because they have more money than you.

All I did was state basic facts about those players. I made fun of nothing. Shaq was indeed broken down. Mo Williams does indeed come off the bench for the Trailblazers. Antawn Jamison was indeed 34 years old.

Not mentioning the other players who were actually starting for them on previous teams is pretty insulting bro, especially when you're saying a broken down Shaq was better. Lololol, and yeah that's totally a fact, btw. I bet you would have called Antawn Jamison broken down as well if you hadn't used that descriptor for Shaq.

wow youre right im a scumbag thank you for making me see the light

Are you a millionaire? If so, I think I see a trend.

My dad is the CEO of Toys R' Us so I can go take a mil out of the bank whenever I feel like. I get lots of free tricycles too. The perks.

:clap:

Well played.

i love you though <3

this thread is just a fun playground for me, especially when realtalk is commenting

jamison was broken down tho. lets call it like it is, that supportin cast wasnt good. theres pretty much no way you can frame it otherwise. the only proof you need is their record when lebron left lol.

and of course lebron makes everyone on his team better. its why guys like ray allen wanna play with him. hes an elite superstat/all time great who gets his team mates involved and gets them incredibly easy shots consistently.

lebron will never be jordan in the minds of most just because of the era. jordans brandin took the nba global which it never really had been before. he represented a lot for the game of basketball across the world. but lebron is playin in an era where scorin is much lower and hes a better passer than jordan was. lbj is just the total package



btw when i said the draft class was gross i meant as a compliment. its amazin. and dante exum is the number 4 rated guy, hes a teenager from australia who is most comparable to michael carter williams, the 76ers rookie. the draft class is just loaded

I think Jordan is the better passer, their assists numbers aren't that different, but hey, what about that scoring difference? Doesn't matter that scoring is down, MJ straight led the league in a higher-scoring league, so all the more reason he's the better player.

Lol that Cleveland supporting cast was plenty good, I'm still waiting for a valid reason why they aren't, since I've already told you why they were. Considering the fact that you're hyping his passing skills, I'd think you'd realize that he was passing to other players, who were, you know, open, and made the shot (if you're going by assists). Actually, his best year in assists per game was his last year in Cleveland. Surely your argument has more substance than "his supporting cast sucks because they sucked after he left". Ahh what the hell, who am I kidding, I'm giving you WAY too much credit. This is the same guy who thinks that it's OK to harass someone because they're playing a man's sport. LOL

You know what I want you to do, I want you to think that one through. Think about harassment, and how little it has to do with sports. And then I want you to stop and take a minute to think about how losing your best player, and the best player in the NBA, might impact the chemistry of your team. I know, tall order, thinking is pretty tough for someone who prides himself of being the Butthead of the internets.

is this trollin?? im serious


hmmmmm wonder why his team mates were open... surely not cause lebron was constantly shaded by help defenders and double teamed... no surely not