LOL

I am not angry just calling it what it is.

If you think I am making false claims, thats fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But you really think calling someone an "ignorant fool" is respectful?

That is not respectful. You don't call people out their name just because you disagree with them.

These aren't opinions. You're just plain wrong. The last straw was when you said Dwyane Wade is not a hall of famer. You have no credibility. Everyone here is laughing at you. Dwyane Wade will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, no question. He is a legend.

Here's some plain old stats for you:

Player A Career Stats:
13.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3.4 assists, 0.8 steals, 2.2 blocks

Player A Awards and Accomplishments:
2x NBA Champion
1x NBA Finals MVP
1x NBA MVP
2x All Star


Player B Career Stats:
19.3 ppg, 8.8 rpg, 2.0 assists, 0.8 steals, 1.1 blocks

Player B Awards and Accomplishments:
2x NBA Champion
8x All Star

Player A is Bill Walton. He was a shoo-in for the Hall of Fame. Player B, who has very similar stats, is Chris Bosh.

You've also claimed that the Spurs-Heat finals were rigged. Did you even ****ing watch the series? The Spurs WOULD HAVE WON if Manu Ginobli OR Kawhi Leonard HAD MADE THEIR FREE THROWS in game 6 before the classic Ray Allen three yada yada yada. They also likely would have won if Tim Duncan had made a simple bunny hop out of the post like he's done 3,000,000 times in his career in game 7. So are you seriously going to try and tell me that David Stern called up Manu and Kawhi and paid them off to miss their free throws? Did the refs force Tim Duncan to miss his bunny hop? You really need to stop posting. Just because you clearly like to hate on the Heat and their players doesn't mean they didn't win their championship fair and square.

The NBA has had some of its lowest ratings in the past decade regarding The Finals. Check the Nielsen ratings.

And regarding the Hall of famers on one team. The Lakers have five from their 85 squad. Jamaal Wilkes, Bob Mcadoo, Kareem, Magic, and James Worthy. You also failed to mention Dennis Johnson and Nate Tiny Archibald for the Celtics squads which would put them at five hall of famers on one team also. But hey those are just facts that cannot be disputed.

Also if you want to include Pat Riley and KC Jones then you've reached six hall of famers for both teams. I'm done here.

The ratings for the Finals have topped 10 million every year. The golden 70's supposedly that our sports expert realtalk was referring to never got close to 10 million. Now if we're comparing to Jordan's era then yes, ratings were sky-high then. Jordan started a boom in the NBA's popularity.

Fair enough on that Lakers squad. One of the best teams to ever hit the floor together.

Doesnt change the fact that there are several recent teams that have loaded up on hall of famers. LeBron/Wade/Bosh/Allen, Kobe/Nash/Howard/Gasol (although that obviously failed), Garnett/Pierce/Allen, Nowitzki/Kidd/Carter

I think it was indicative of the times in the 70's. One there was alot less people in general and having lived in that era as a boy people spent alot less time watching tv in general back then. I think there was certainly a great talent pool in the 70's which saw an influx of monster athletes with guys like Dr J, David Thompson, and George Gervin. I however agree with you that todays talent pool is almost freakish. You have so much more size and ability in the 3-5 players and its very evident when you go and look back at the way the game was played back then.

I'd say the Celtics were equally as stacked as the Lakers and the early 80's sixer squads with Moses Malone, Barkley, Toney, and Mo Cheeks weren't far behind. I believe the reason there aren't squads like that now are just due to the huge change in salary caps.

Which is why Wilt Chamberlain happened, forever screwing up several records that just can't ever be broken. He averaged like 50 and 25 one year (i dont feel like looking it up tbh lol) it was just silly. No one will ever break the single game points or rebounds records because of how silly the NBA was then

Wait so what are you arguing for? After Payton's monologue the writer defends the current NBA with a pretty strong argument. No disrespect to Payton either - I love both eras of the NBA. This era is more finesse and athleticism, the previous era was all about being a badass. Both are plenty entertaining for me!

Yeah Wilt the Stilt didn't have alot of challenge in shattering records. Bill Russell as great as he was could only beat him on the strength of his team. The more atrocious stat was Oscar Robertson averaging a triple double over an entire season. The Big O was awesome but you could grab any big guard in todays nba with plus skills and he would go back in time and do exactly the same thing due to the disparity in skill level. If someone chooses to look back to yesteryear and contemplate that the skill level was on par they're out of their mind.

The strange thing to me is that there ARE still rough and tough badass teams in today's NBA yet people still try and dwell on the "soft" argument. Go watch the Pacers play the Heat and try and tell me the Pacers dont remind you at least a little bit of the bad boy Pistons. Not saying these Pacers compare necessarily, but its a similar style of basketball.

Theres definitely an argument to be made for them being comparable. I would think the Pistons could take them in 7 but thats just for a lack of scoring power at times for the Pacers. Paul George would look good in a Lakers uniform.

^ that's kinda how I feel too, although tbh the NBA is easily the least favorite of the four major US leagues. I vastly prefer the NHL.

I go through periods of time where I watch very little Basketball. The NHL is definitely far more fun for me to watch nowadays. I enjoy the NFL as a second choice. I like going to Baseball games but coverage on tv can be a snorefest. The NBA was always alot more fun for me when the Lakers were competitive. Gotta wait the rebuild out and stay true to my team, but it doesn;t mean I have to watch them suck on a daily basis.

Baseball is better on radio imo

I love all three major sports pretty much equally (NBA MLB NFL), but if im not watching my favorite baseball team (the Reds) then its not that interesting to me, but i can watch any given NFL or NBA game and be thoroughly entertained unless its like Jazz-Lakers lol

I also really love to find and watch classic NBA games. Ive watched the 98 Finals the whole way through like five times

^ NHL is a major sport. There are four major US Sports.

The lakers-sacremento kings series was very, very questionable.

The FBI launched an investigation but it's undisclosed. You do have one former ref admitting to rigging games but he's likely exaggerating the prominence to promote himself.

All in all the NBA history is certainly more suspect than any other of the major American sports.


Especially the draft.

Lol thats funny, for a second there i thought you said the NHL matters

I kid though, its definitely 4th in the US and still has a nice fanbase, I just dont like it much. I watch some of the Stanley Cup Finals every year though but I dont really care much

I don't like the NBA much but I still acknowledge that it's a major US sport.

Its just a fact that the NFL, MLB, and NBA are in a class of their own in terms of revenues

NHL still made 3.3 billion last year which is impressive actually

While the NHL revenue is the lowest of the four, it's not *that* far behind the NBA, which is hardly "in a league of it's own"

Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

*edit: I composed this before your edit, you clearly saw the same data

Thanks! You know your NBA history!

Thanks!!!

I think the way ball players are drafted as well has affected that too. Before they did not have to attend at least one year of college and now players do before they get drafted.

They are more athletic now but they are more lazier and they don't have a teamwork ethic mentality anymore. They jump from team to team and don't have a sense of loyalty for their team or coaches because they care about the money. Basketball players get paid way to much money compared to the 70s, 80s and even 90s.

Fail. :)

Are you really calling Wade a legend??? I think that is a MAJOR exaggeration and I think far to soon to determine.

I don't care if everyone is laughing at me as you say lol I don't make my opinions for people or to be liked. I express myself because that is how I feel regardless if you agree or disagree with it...period.

What does awards and stats have to do with MY opinion? I didn't trash Wade and I even said he was a good ball player. I just don't think he is a legend based off of what I have seen. When I think of legends I think of Magic or MJ. No I dont consider him to be in that category.

For instance, Lebron is hailed as Jesus Christ in the NBA but I think he is incredibly overrated and I think it is insulting how they constantly compare him to MJ especially with all the gimmicks he had to do in order to get his championships. I also don't think he knows how to finish strong when it comes to finals or games. He chokes alot.



Of course I watched it!

I am not going to give my opinion on something before looking at it for myself!

And what is your problem? Why are you so angry? lol Its not that serious hun. All the name calling and cussing lol its not that serious... here is a kiss muah, feel better!


The San Antionio Spurs are my favorite team in the NBA. I've loved them since I was a little girl. I loved them when Bowen, Jackson and Robinson were on the team. I have always loved the Spurs. It is a very good organization and a very talented and humble group of men.

I was really upset this summer when they lost. I was so upset I was in tears lol which is why I vowed to never watch the NBA ever again. lol I get to emotional with basketball especially with the Spurs.

I felt that The Spurs played better overall throughout the Series. They were suppose to win in Game 6 and they were leading the entire game and I am not sure what happened in the last 5 seconds. I think some calls should have been made that weren't.

For instance:

Why didn't Ray Allen get called for fouling Mano when he drove to the basketball?

Why didn't Bosh get a call for fouling Green when he went to shoot that 3 pointer?

Just things like that that wasn't fair and calls that were clearly ignored.

Popovich is a great coach but the ONLY wrong thing he did in that game was taking Tim out during the last few minutes of the game. If he had not taken Tim out of the game, Tim could have easily rebounded the ball and that would have prevented Bosh from passing it to Ray and him hitting that lucky shot.

It was all luck, bad calls and the stars being aligned as for why they won lol. They did not deserve to win that game or the championship.

What the hell are you even talking about like holy ****. Dwyane Wade, Dirk Nowitzki, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan...all LEGENDS that have never chamged teams. Just because Dwight Howard jumps around you chacterize the entire NBA? Kareem moved teams. Karl Malone moved teams. Plenty of stars in the 80s and 90s moved teams.

If the Spurs deserved their championship they wouldve hit their damn free throws or Duncan wouldve made that easy as hell shot. You clearly cant take off your hater glasses and realize the SPURS choked and that Dwyane Wade is one of the greatest ever. Im not sure why youre still commenting here.

Lol

Ignorance at its finest. Facts>opinions. I cant believe your lack of education and basic understanding of how debates work.

You don't think the amount of money affects the way they play?

Oh it most certainly does!

I am talking about for the mass majority as an overall league. I am not talking about for those few exceptions. You know just as well as I do that players jump from team to team more than what they have in previous eras.

No, I was talking about use of the English language.


It would either be "lazier" or "more lazy" :)

Clyde the Glide moved to the Rockets. Dennis Rodman moved to the Pistons' biggest rival. Bill Walton moved around nonstop. Shaq moved to the Lakers. Oakley moved to the Knicks. Payton and Kemp went all over the place. My man Dominique moved all over the place after leaving the Hawks. Parish left the Celtics. Ewing left the Knicks and played for two other teams. Barkley played for 3 different teams. Horry moved around everywhere too. Hakeem the Dream ditched the Rockets at the end of his career. Dr. J and Wilt both moved to try and further their careers. Jordan even went to the Wizards AND left his team in the trash heap for two years so he could pursue baseball for god sakes. Please do some research. All of this is basic knowledge of NBA history. Players move around just as much today as they did in the 80s and 90s.

Ooo lol thanks

nice response to your entire argument getting totally torched

Well actually she was right about the hall of famers on the 80's teams. The argument regarding talent pool is a bit off base. The NBA has never had a better group of talent to pull from. It really started with the influx of europeans. Also anybody that doesn't acknowledge that Lebron James is the best player in the NBA, can't be taken seriously in a debate.

She was also arguing that players were more loyal or something in the 80's and I proceeded to list like 80% of the stars from the 80's and 90's and every single one of them moved teams. Also, I listed multiple recent teams with 3+ hall of famers, which apparently counts for nothing.

What bothers me the most is the blatant disrespect for Dwyane Wade. His career stats are basically identical to Kobe's, he has 3 rings, a Finals MVP, a scoring title, has been amongst the best defensive guards in basketball his whole career, and has made 10 all-star games. That someone can try and say he's not one of the greatest ever is just being a pure, immature, biased hater, through and through.

Free agency has been a big boon since the early 80's I agree with your assessment. There is no denying that D-Wade is a first ballot hall of famer when he hangs it up. Even with diminishing skills he is certainly in alot of top 25 players in the league discussions. Add to that his knack for playing his best in big games and there really is no argument. I don't see Miami missing the Finals again this year, they still have way too many weapons in a 7 game series.

Id respond more frequent n in depth if I wasn't on mobile. Wade is incredibly disrespected when ppl think of all time greats.

Lebrons the best player. Its not close.... durant will win mvp but if u watch the games lebron is tge best. He will be the best player ever imo. Hes just incredible

I can fill in the rest for you. Dwyane Wade/Flash/D-Wade is a top 5, all-time Shooting guard. Anyone who says they can guard Wade is lying: when Wade is on his game he is just as dangerous as KD (he also has a scoring title). Defensively, he is also the leader in blocks among all players 6-4 and under (and this is 11 years into his career at age 31!) The guy's blocked Dwight Howard NUMEROUS times.

By far LeBron is the best player in the league. A few years ago he reminded me of Andre Igudola in that he can do basically everything except shoot outside, but last year he rectified that BIG TIME. 40% on three's, with over 200 attempted–are you * me!?! He really made San Antonio pay in game 7 last year for leaving him open out there. Yeah so there's no longer any possible doubt he's the best (in reality, he's been the best since he came to Miami, and possibly a few years before that too).

I honestly believe Durant has evolved into a better scorer than LeBron at this point. I fully believe LeBron could still average 35-40 a night if he wanted to but thats not his game or personality. Durant is just automatic from ANYWHERE its honestly incredible. He could become the greatest pure scorer of all-time, but he still doesn't quite have the impeccable complete two-way production that LeBron has perfected.

Durant has been the bettet scorer for a few yrs imo. Lebrons passing tho is incredible and really sets him spart offensively from everyone in the league