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[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

How? By calling James' 3 three-pointer's in the game as threes and not twos? LeBron put the team on his back and he won it for them. Also, the heat picked up 5 bad fouls not even 6 minutes in to the fourth quarter. The heat got plenty of fouls called on them. Also you keep bringing up Chalmers flagrant foul, and none of the spurs player had flagrant fouls...

Oh wait, you don't care about evidence... Smh.

By calling all those horrible flops as fouls. Danny, Lenny,Manu etc got a ton of unnecessary fouls in my opinion

Going into the 4th quarter the Heat got some calls against them but it certainly was not like that for majority of the game.

What do you mean evidence? I brought up the flagrant foul to prove that Parker had a legitimate excuse for missing his free throws and because it was a dirty play. When the Heat are down they revert to desperate low tactics. I am glad my Spurs are professional and are not like that.

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Actually, he showed up in every quarter but the first.

Okay, if that is the way you see it

I disagree.

I saw more from his "supporting cast" Bosh, Ray Ray, Wade etc

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Sparky

I love pop and the spurs. The first quarter every basket came from an assist, it was a treat to watch.

Then it fell apart in the 4th quarter. Timmy missing free throws. I think most common sense spurs fans would blame their own team for this loss.

Do you really think spurs players have a moral high ground over the heat? Manu Ginobli has garnered a flopping repuation himself. Most NBA star players have, it's an innate reaction. It's been in the league as long as I've watched it. You try to get the call.

I previously admitted that there was no excuse for those missed free throws by Timmy.

I said that ages ago so not sure what point you are trying to make.

I stand by Parker's missed free throws though. He had an excuse. He got hit HARD.

Manu is sloppy sometimes but he doesn't flop ALOT like Wade and company

I am more shocked with the fact that you are trying to justify the Heat's flopping by insisting it is a NBA "thing". Well of course it is a NBA thing but its outrageously ridiculous how the NBA refs count the Miami flops as official fouls and you know just as well as I do that Miami gets away with it ALOT.

Lebron NEVER gets called for a foul and when he does, he cries and whines. He makes it seem like the whole world is coming to an end. He is the king of flopping

[Paul Smeenus]

Lebron had 13 points in the first half, 14 in the third quarter and 8 in the fourth quarter.

[Soulflower]

They try to make it seem like he carries his team BY HIS SELF. His cast are factors as well in his win's. He did not have an extraordinary Michael Jordan game tonight. They over hype him way to much.

[Sparky]

Much like they did with Michael. He carried the load offensively, and not just with scoring, like Michael.

[Soulflower]

But MJ was extraordinary and Lebron is not like that. Lebron is a good but he is not Michael Jordan.


MJ crushed by 40-50 points majority of his games and has a lot of shooting titles. MJ had a supporting cast, yes but Lebron is not MJ. The NBA desperately wants ya'll ratings which is why they try to hype him as something he isn't.

LBJ jumping around the court for a 2 point barely won game that they flopped, whined and did flagrant fouls to get.

[Wpnfire]

Originally Posted by realtalk92

I don't think you are being objective at all.

Parker had to sit out after that flagrant cheap foul.

Did you see that?

He got hit in the ribs and that could have easily off set his jumper at the line.

First of all, it's not called a jumper when you shoot a free throw. Both of your feet have to be on the line or its a violation and the free throw doesn't count.
And this is actually a good point too: shooting a free throw takes considerably less effort than attempting a jump shot because of this. It's all upper body work and Parker should have been able to hit them unless his arm was broken, which I don't think Chalmers hit....................

Also this is freaking Tony Parker we are talking about, and the guy has taken just as many hard falls as someone like Dwyane Wade. The guy is a rock.

Charmers knew what he was doing when he elbowed him on purpose.

1. How do you know this?
2. Because you don't know what he was thinking, this isn't an objective statement.

This does not justify your opinion or make it more credible.

I actually think this is very immature. Instead of giving me a lecture on "how you watch more basketball yada yada yada" (which really means nothing)

Why dont you explain to me with detail facts and evidence that proves that it was not since you "watch so much basketball"

Well actually you made the original claim that Chalmer's foul should be a flagrant 2 and he should be ejected for it, so it's actually up to you to prove that. I then said it was nothing close to a flagrant 2 and you've still yet to support that. At any rate an example of a flagrant 2 would be what Metta World Peace got for that elbow he threw at the head of James Harden many moons ago. What Chalmers did is not even in the same league as that. I'm absolutely not denying that it was a flagrant foul (1), but it was also absolutely not ejection worthy.

I did not like it because it was dirty/nasty and uncalled for.

Correct, but it wasn't ejection worthy, which is the important distinction here.

He did it out of frustration. He purposely elbowed him and it was a hard one.

Again, how do you know what Chalmers was doing?

Tony had to sit out the game after that.

No he didn't. Pop took him out for safety, but Parker was clearly fine and clearly wanted to get back in the game. Parker is a lot tougher than you're giving him. This is someone who attacks the basket time and time again and he gets really roughed up at times a la Dwyane Wade, but he gets up does it again and again.

[Soulflower]

I did give Parker credit.

I even implied that he is alot tougher than Lebron by insisting that "At least he does not whine like a baby like someone else I know". Regardless whether he wanted to sit out or not, Pop felt that it was a hard foul which is why he wanted him to sit out for a while.

If Pop did not feel like it was a hard foul, he would not have took him out the game regardless whether Parker wanted to or not.


After Charmers elbowed him Parker was holding his stomach on the ground in pain. That does not mean I am implying he is not "tough" but just showing that he had a hard time physically getting up as a result of the hard foul.


I really don't have anything to "prove" because it is my opinion whether you agree with it or not. I explained why I felt it was a flagrant 2. Charmers ALWAYS does nasty cheap shots like that all time out of frustration. That's why I KNOW because I have seen him do it before. I personally think his dirty and he also flopped previously in the game. I just thought it was a low move to do that and I just personally felt that he should have been kicked out the game. Tony Parker did not deserve that and did not do anything to him. He was blocking him but he was not on him. I stand by that. Miami gets away with to much.


I know what a jumper is vs. a free throw shot but sometimes I might use the word "jumper" interchangeable I can call it whatever I want to call it and quite frankly that is rather irrelevant and petty.

The rib cage is very essential to upper body movement being that it facilitates breathing and lung expansion. If the bones that form the cage are bruised that can naturally alter upper body movement

[Paul Smeenus]

Personal Fouls

MIA: 20
SA: 20

Free throws made/attempted

MIA: 16/21 76.2%
SA:12/20 60.0%

Bench scoring

MIA: 12
SA: 37

Starters scoring

MIA: 86
SA: 59

FGM/A

MIA: 37/70 52.9%
SA: 36/82 43.9%

3pt made/attempted

MIA: 8/19 42.1%
SA: 12/26 46.2%

Rebounding O/T

MIA: 5/33
SA: 11/37

Turnovers

MIA: 16 (points off turnovers 14)
SA: 11 (points off turnovers 5)

Assists

MIA: 16
SA: 26

Blocks

MIA: 3
SA: 1

Fast break points

MIA: 13
SA: 9

Points in paint

MIA: 44
SA: 34

[Sparky]

You could argue exact same amount of fouls gives more credence to the notion of "makeup calls"

But makeup calls aren't necessarily bad