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[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Honestly couldn't care less how he left Cleveland, or even the fact that he did, he just isn't as good as MJ. When he leads the league in scoring for 10 straight years, or wins a championship on a team that isn't assembled from FAs, then we'll talk.

I pretty much agree with this too.

Either way, he is still no MJ.

[Wpnfire]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

I'll give you the same deal as Yorky. What's your argument that they were terrible players. I don't think if they were terrible that they could help the Cavs to win 66 games. Again, Lebron was their only star, but that team had a lot of depth. The Bulls were a deep team that had two star players, so I don't get what your argument is here, other than that you think for some reason these guys suck.

You're underestimating the significance LeBron James has on a basketball game. He literally does make his team better because of his passing, (7+ assists, and Jordan averaged only 5 per game) defenses are now trained to obviously look for him everywhere (Jordan couldn't shoot a three, James can) leaving his teammates open. These factors are in play every second he's on he court, and James played around 40 minutes when he was in Cleveland, and missed at most only 5 games a season. Also LeBron was playing de facto point guard in Cleveland (as he does now).

Also, Cleveland suffered the worst drop in wins in NBA HISTORY when James left. They didn't drop 1 or 2 spots when he left, they went from LEADING THE EASTERN CONFERENCE in wins, to LAST PLACE. It doesn't get any more clear cut than this: LeBron James. Made his Cleveland team. Good. It was him. And only him. That made them good.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

I am seriously considering leaving this forum because of the unprecedented amount of idiocy I am reading right now.

[Moss]

I no longer know what is being debated here.

I sometimes wonder if I will ever see a Nugget championship in my lifetime. Not looking likely.

[Wpnfire]

Originally Posted by Moss

I sometimes wonder if I will ever see a Nugget championship in my lifetime. Not looking likely.

Not since Melo bailed.

Ty Lawson, Melo, and Gallinari would be an INSANE starting lineup if they played on the same team.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

You're underestimating the significance LeBron James has on a basketball game. He literally does make his team better because of his passing, (7+ assists, and Jordan averaged only 5 per game)

Jordan didn't need to pass bro, that's why he led the league in scoring so much. The fact that he averaged only about 1.5 assists per game less than Lebron is actually kind of surprising.

defenses are now trained to obviously look for him everywhere (Jordan couldn't shoot a three, James can) leaving his teammates open.

Lebron shoots 34% from 3, MJ shoots 33% from 3. Fwiw, Lebron is a better 3 point shooter, but it isn't by much. Neither were ever great 3-point shooters at any point of their careers.

These factors are in play every second he's on he court, and James played around 40 minutes when he was in Cleveland, and missed at most only 5 games a season. Also LeBron was playing de facto point guard in Cleveland (as he does now).

And Michael Jordan's factors were also on the court, the exact same factors, except he was much more overpowering offensively, and every bit as good a passer or shooter as Lebron. No one says Lebron isn't great, I think he's going to retire as one of the all time greatest players, he just isn't on the same level as Michael Jordan. He doesn't have the stats or accolades, and those are tangible things. They're facts.

[Moss]

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Not since Melo bailed.

Ty Lawson, Melo, and Gallinari would be an INSANE starting lineup if they played on the same team.

Agreed. Add in Faried and Chandler and even Mozgov as a big guy and you would have a team.

But again, no superstar wants to play in Denver. That's the problem with the NBA right now.

[Wpnfire]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Jordan didn't need to pass bro, that's why he led the league in scoring so much. The fact that he averaged only about 1.5 assists per game less than Lebron is actually kind of surprising.

Lebron shoots 34% from 3, MJ shoots 33% from 3. Fwiw, Lebron is a better 3 point shooter, but it isn't by much. Neither were ever great 3-point shooters at any point of their careers.

And Michael Jordan's factors were also on the court, the exact same factors, except he was much more overpowering offensively, and every bit as good a passer or shooter as Lebron. No one says Lebron isn't great, I think he's going to retire as one of the all time greatest players, he just isn't on the same level as Michael Jordan. He doesn't have the stats or accolades, and those are tangible things. They're facts.

Hey man, I like you, and I'ma let you finish, but I wasn't talking about MJ vs. LeBron. I was talking about how LeBron's team in Cleveland was terrible. You can't deny that. None of them were capable of carrying the team without him.

I used the assists stat to show that he was critical to his team's success.

I used the fact that he played nearly every game of the season to show that he had an effect on indeed, nearly every game of the season.

Also my entire point of this conversation is saying that LeBron James made the correct choice in leaving Cleveland, and I don't even think it had anything to do with the team: it was how the coaching staff was using LeBron James himself that doomed any chance the Cavs had to be competitive.

You know what, new topic: All Star starters

Wow Stephen Curry made it as a starter. Good for him.

[Forward To Death]

Can't believe Kevin Love isn't starting.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

Hey man, I like you, and I'ma let you finish, but I wasn't talking about MJ vs. LeBron. I was talking about how LeBron's team in Cleveland was terrible. You can't deny that. None of them were capable of carrying the team without him.

I used the assists stat to show that he was critical to his team's success.

I used the fact that he played nearly every game of the season to show that he had an effect on indeed, nearly every game of the season.

Also my entire point of this conversation is saying that LeBron James made the correct choice in leaving Cleveland, and I don't even think it had anything to do with the team: it was how the coaching staff was using LeBron James himself that doomed any chance the Cavs had to be competitive.

You know what, new topic: All Star starters

Wow Stephen Curry made it as a starter. Good for him.

I am sure that if he had voiced his concerns to his coach and maybe put more emphasis on building a team around him instead of making it an individual accomplishment, he probably would have eventually had great players around him.