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[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy

of course jordan didnt want to leave, he had phil ****ing jackson as his coach

lebron had mike god damn brown and the only decent teammate he had was mo williams i mean lol

Lol I think it's more like Phil Jackson had Michael Jordan, and Mike Brown had Lebron, but all that aside, the Cavs had a couple of decent teams. Tired of people saying that Lebron didn't have anything to work with, when in reality he had a solid supporting cast that helped him get to the Finals.

Btw, why do you think Phil didn't want to coach the Lakers last year? Probably because they're on the decline. He came back when they had that monster front court. Dude's not as great as everyone thinks he is, and coaching honestly doesn't have a huge impact on the game, it's the players that make the team, not the coach.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

Of course jordan didn't leave..... who would with scottie pippen as a teammate??

Wade is an all timer but he isn't on kobes level

Didn't he get drafted on the team?

MJ did not always have that around him.

He had years where he didn't get championships either.

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Lol I think it's more like Phil Jackson had Michael Jordan, and Mike Brown had Lebron, but all that aside, the Cavs had a couple of decent teams. Tired of people saying that Lebron didn't have anything to work with, when in reality he had a solid supporting cast that helped him get to the Finals.

Thanks, good point

[butthead aka 216]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

Lol I think it's more like Phil Jackson had Michael Jordan, and Mike Brown had Lebron, but all that aside, the Cavs had a couple of decent teams. Tired of people saying that Lebron didn't have anything to work with, when in reality he had a solid supporting cast that helped him get to the Finals.

That's pretty much false


Lebron elevated the other players. In short they were good cuz of bron.



Bron left n cavs were one of the worst teams in history

[Soulflower]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

There's no comparison to be made, MJ led the league in points nearly ever year he played except for two years where his season was shortened, and two years with the Wizards when he was pushing 40. Even then, he still averaged over 21 PPG.

[Wpnfire]

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

That's pretty much false


Lebron elevated the other players. In short they were good cuz of bron.



Bron left n cavs were one of the worst teams in history

ZING! I decree you the winner sir. And after 3 years, they're still terrible. lol poor Cleveland. Hey that's one thing LBJ and MJ have in common, they both screwed Cleveland over lol!

[YorkeDaddy]

sigh, this is so tedious. but maybe i can make one more person informed and the world will be a better place.

kobe career stats:
25.5 ppg, 3.0 turnovers, 0.5 blocks, 1.5 steals, 4.8 assists, 5.3 rebounds, 45.4% field goals

wade career stats:
24.0 ppg, 3.4 turnovers, 1.0 blocks, 1.7 steals, 5.9 assists, 4.9 rebounds, 49.1% field goals

Kobe has slight ppg, turnovers, and rebounds advantage, while Wade has slight blocks, steals, assists, and field goal percentage advantage. Their stats are basically identical. Kobe has two more rings and has produced at a high level for longer than Wade (both of which are important, of course, I'm not claiming Wade is a greater all-time player than Kobe) but that's all that separate them.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

That's pretty much false

Lebron elevated the other players. In short they were good cuz of bron.

Bron left n cavs were one of the worst teams in history

And if those players they had sucked, then they wouldn't have made it to the Finals, and won 60+ games twice. Larry Hughes, Verejao, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, Wally Sczerbiak, Mo Williams, Delonte West, Booby Gibson, Joe Smith, Ben Wallace. Tons of solid players around him. Lebron wasn't winning games by himself.

[YorkeDaddy]

Originally Posted by Forward To Death

And if those players they had sucked, then they wouldn't have made it to the Finals, and won 60+ games twice. Larry Hughes, Verejao, Ilgauskas, Drew Gooden, Donyell Marshall, Damon Jones, Wally Sczerbiak, Mo Williams, Delonte West, Booby Gibson, Joe Smith, Ben Wallace. Tons of solid players around him. Lebron wasn't winning games by himself.

if you honestly think those are good players besides varejao and williams (ben wallace was absolutely not a difference maker anymore at that point in his career) then i just dont know what to ever say to you.

[Forward To Death]

Originally Posted by Wpnfire

ZING! I decree you the winner sir. And after 3 years, they're still terrible. lol poor Cleveland. Hey that's one thing LBJ and MJ have in common, they both screwed Cleveland over lol!

It's like saying that the Lakers sucked when Shaq left. Yeah, you're technically right, but it isn't the point. The point is that there were other players on the team who were good. The NBA is a very star-driven league.