NBA thread

blastingas10 · 02-28-2012, 11:51 PM

I completely agree with Dirk not being a good defender. But he's a pretty good defensive rebounder, which counts for something. Dirk has the game of a 3 with the body of a tall 4, (he's too skinny to ever be a good 5) which is what he is . But that's what makes him so hard to guard. There has never been a seven footer with a game like Dirk. He's agile enough to put the ball on the floor and take it to the hole; he's skilled enough to drive and finish with his left hand; he has such a great jump-shot and fade away jumper, when you combine that with his height it makes for a extremely difficult shot to guard.

I will take Dirk over Bynum and Gasol, any day. Sure, they may be better defenders and rebounders; but Dirk is much more deadly on the offensive end and he can pull down 9 rebounds a game. So, Bynum and Gasol just have a slight (2 or 3 a game) rebounding edge over him, and of course the defensive edge. But like I said, Dirk is the better offensive weapon and is one of the best in the league. It balanced out with guys like Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion on the team to aide on defense and rebounding.

I'll take Dirk's offensive production and play making ability and go with a pretty solid tandem of centers, rather than one star at center, unless that star was Dwight Howard. For example, Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood. And as everyone knows, that makes for a good championship team.

Replace Dirk with Bynum or Gasol on last years Mavs championship team, and I don't think they would have won it. Neither of them could have carried the team and made those huge plays like Dirk did. He averaged 26 and 10 in the finals. Could Bynum and Gasol has been more effective on offense with Jason Terry and Shawn Marion being the next best scorers? Definitely. But as effective as dirk was that series? Highly unlikely.

Look at his career playoff numbers: In some 120 playoff contests, he has averaged 26 points and 10.4 rebounds a game, while shooting 46.5 percent from the field. The only other 100-plus-game playoff performers I can find who have averaged at least 25 points and 10 boards in the postseason since the 1976 ABA-NBA merger is Olajuwon and Karl Malone (and Malone never won a championship). Dirk averages more rebounds and points in the playoffs than Kobe. Bird and Kareem were close at 24 and 10. As was Shaq at 24 and 12. Jordan averaged 33 points per game but only six boards. Not saying Dirk is better than any of these players, especially Jordan. I'm just saying, his numbers rank up their with the best of em.

But he never has had a second star in his prime to take the pressure off him, as Jordan had Pippen, Bird had Parish and McHale, Magic had Kareem and Worthy, Shaq had Kobe and then Wade, Kobe had Shaq and then Gasol, and LeBron now has Wade and Bosh. Nash played with Dirk but didn't really become a star until going to Phoenix. Kidd is about as good as you can get for a 38-year-old guard, but Kidd didn't play with Dirk in his prime.

Dirk's playoff numbers are a step up from regular season in scoring and rebounding, as he averages 23 points and 8.4 boards in his regular season career. Clearly, he steps it up in the playoffs.

debaserr · 02-28-2012, 11:54 PM

No doubt, I agree with everything you just said.

blastingas10 · 02-29-2012, 01:25 AM

Maybe Dirk lost a lot of haters after last season. But Kobe still called his jump shot "ugly" just a couple weeks ago. He did admit it was "extremely effective", but still. I think it's a thing of beauty. It's so effective and hard to guard and unique.

debaserr · 02-29-2012, 02:29 AM

Winning a Finals MVP can't hurt...

Franco Pepe Kalle · 02-29-2012, 10:33 PM

I would argue that LeBron James will be the MVP of this season.

YorkeDaddy · 03-01-2012, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle

I would argue that LeBron James will be the MVP of this season.

obviously.

FRED HALE SR. · 03-01-2012, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Franco Pepe Kalle

I would argue that LeBron James will be the MVP of this season.

No way its gotta be Tim Tebow, guys got GOD on his side.

blastingas10 · 03-01-2012, 04:00 PM

Tebow will win MVP of every sport.

Sparky · 03-05-2012, 10:31 PM

Timberwolves=white people with fundamentals can still win games :-D

Sparky · 03-11-2012, 09:26 PM

Man, with rubio out, the wolves looked eerily like the team of the past few years last night.
20 some turnovers, bad passing, desperation 3 pointers. I forgot how bad all our shooting guards are, man did rubio help those guys out.

With barrea out as well, ridnour is going to have to play plenty of minutes and he can't even do the screen roll that well. It's not going to be pretty the rest of this season.

02-28-2012, 11:51 PM	#1221 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	I completely agree with Dirk not being a good defender. But he's a pretty good defensive rebounder, which counts for something. Dirk has the game of a 3 with the body of a tall 4, (he's too skinny to ever be a good 5) which is what he is . But that's what makes him so hard to guard. There has never been a seven footer with a game like Dirk. He's agile enough to put the ball on the floor and take it to the hole; he's skilled enough to drive and finish with his left hand; he has such a great jump-shot and fade away jumper, when you combine that with his height it makes for a extremely difficult shot to guard. I will take Dirk over Bynum and Gasol, any day. Sure, they may be better defenders and rebounders; but Dirk is much more deadly on the offensive end and he can pull down 9 rebounds a game. So, Bynum and Gasol just have a slight (2 or 3 a game) rebounding edge over him, and of course the defensive edge. But like I said, Dirk is the better offensive weapon and is one of the best in the league. It balanced out with guys like Tyson Chandler and Shawn Marion on the team to aide on defense and rebounding. I'll take Dirk's offensive production and play making ability and go with a pretty solid tandem of centers, rather than one star at center, unless that star was Dwight Howard. For example, Tyson Chandler and Brendan Haywood. And as everyone knows, that makes for a good championship team. Replace Dirk with Bynum or Gasol on last years Mavs championship team, and I don't think they would have won it. Neither of them could have carried the team and made those huge plays like Dirk did. He averaged 26 and 10 in the finals. Could Bynum and Gasol has been more effective on offense with Jason Terry and Shawn Marion being the next best scorers? Definitely. But as effective as dirk was that series? Highly unlikely. Look at his career playoff numbers: In some 120 playoff contests, he has averaged 26 points and 10.4 rebounds a game, while shooting 46.5 percent from the field. The only other 100-plus-game playoff performers I can find who have averaged at least 25 points and 10 boards in the postseason since the 1976 ABA-NBA merger is Olajuwon and Karl Malone (and Malone never won a championship). Dirk averages more rebounds and points in the playoffs than Kobe. Bird and Kareem were close at 24 and 10. As was Shaq at 24 and 12. Jordan averaged 33 points per game but only six boards. Not saying Dirk is better than any of these players, especially Jordan. I'm just saying, his numbers rank up their with the best of em. But he never has had a second star in his prime to take the pressure off him, as Jordan had Pippen, Bird had Parish and McHale, Magic had Kareem and Worthy, Shaq had Kobe and then Wade, Kobe had Shaq and then Gasol, and LeBron now has Wade and Bosh. Nash played with Dirk but didn't really become a star until going to Phoenix. Kidd is about as good as you can get for a 38-year-old guard, but Kidd didn't play with Dirk in his prime. Dirk's playoff numbers are a step up from regular season in scoring and rebounding, as he averages 23 points and 8.4 boards in his regular season career. Clearly, he steps it up in the playoffs. Last edited by blastingas10; 02-29-2012 at 01:07 AM.

02-28-2012, 11:54 PM	#1222 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	No doubt, I agree with everything you just said. __________________ Last.FM

02-29-2012, 02:29 AM	#1224 (permalink)
debaserr eat the masters Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,470	Winning a Finals MVP can't hurt... __________________ Last.FM

02-29-2012, 10:33 PM	#1225 (permalink)
Franco Pepe Kalle Mwana Nzala Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shakopee, Minnesota Posts: 627	I would argue that LeBron James will be the MVP of this season. __________________ The problem with Franco Pepe Kalle is that he is a unpredictable character. There is surprising info about this man. You think he only likes Franco and Pepe Kalle but when you find out that he hears other artists, you are shock. Girls are the sexy thing that God created. Important to notice FPK.

02-29-2012, 01:25 AM	#1223 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Maybe Dirk lost a lot of haters after last season. But Kobe still called his jump shot "ugly" just a couple weeks ago. He did admit it was "extremely effective", but still. I think it's a thing of beauty. It's so effective and hard to guard and unique.

03-01-2012, 04:00 PM	#1228 (permalink)
blastingas10 Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 2,126	Tebow will win MVP of every sport.

03-05-2012, 10:31 PM	#1229 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	Timberwolves=white people with fundamentals can still win games :-D

03-11-2012, 09:26 PM	#1230 (permalink)
Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	Man, with rubio out, the wolves looked eerily like the team of the past few years last night. 20 some turnovers, bad passing, desperation 3 pointers. I forgot how bad all our shooting guards are, man did rubio help those guys out. With barrea out as well, ridnour is going to have to play plenty of minutes and he can't even do the screen roll that well. It's not going to be pretty the rest of this season.