TUC Voting/Discussion Thread
 

Please discuss what songs you think should represent a particular genre here. Want feedback before submitting? Post it here, too!

If there is some dispute about what should represent a genre effectively (less so what constitues a genre), take your discussions there. It's becoming very cluttered and difficult to process submissions through the other thread. So, henceforth, if you think something poorly represents a style, discuss it here, maybe bother a mod to add a poll every now and then, and report back there with the new track and a bolded notification: REPLACE, for my sake, so it's easier to process.

Thanks!

I think this should just be done Wikipedia style, with better information replacing the existing data as it is generated. Whadaya think?

How do you mean? I'm all for changing songs around, just wanted to bring the discussions here so we have a nice clean area to work with.

Basically you've just added the first song people have nominated for each genre. What I'm saying is people should be allowed to continue to post songs for each genre, and collectively the community should determine which song best represents a genre...

I only have two problems with that. One is that it will take quite a bit more time. We might miss the mark here and there but I'm fairly confident in our members to sort things out and make sure that the majority of nominations are accurate. I'm willing to give up a bit of accuracy if it means the comp actually gets released. Two is that I'm literally running out of space on the list. The maximum amount of text I can have over those three posts is 3000 characters. So I'm reallt running on limited space. But idk, it's a community project so every one can weigh in on this.

I noticed that Violent submitted "Dammit" by Blink-182 as a pop punk song, but I think that there are other songs that would better represent the genre. I think bands such as Screeching Weasel, Teenage Bottlerocket, Dillinger Four, The Queers, and Lagwagon represent the genre well, and maintain the punk part better than Blink-182.

These are what I have in mind:
YouTube - Dillinger Four - A Jingle For The Product
YouTube - Screeching Weasel - Cool Kids
YouTube - Lagwagon - Violins
YouTube - Radio - Teenage Bottlerocket
YouTube - The Queers - Ursala Finally Has Tits

I think The Buzz****s are the best representitive for the pop-punk genre seeing as they're the genres biggest influence.
So I propose either
Buzz****s-Orgasm Addict
or alternatively
The Undertones-Teenage Kicks

I'm gonna second you for The Undertones - Teenage Kicks

Nice, it's in then.

i honestly think the greatest influence is Ramones...i mean look at two of the major arguments here...and the two bands that come up in EVERY pop-punk argument....Screeching Weasel and The Queers...both great, fun silly bands who represent the concept of "pop-punk"...both Ramones Clones....listen to their self titled album....its all pop punk classics....hell listen to any album!

just wanted my two cents in

also i have to agree 100% with jackhammer....you need to remove DRI from the thrash metal category....i got my timeline a little mixed up and after some reading realized that thrash metal was before crossover and not the other way around

and Noefolk need to seriously be re-examined

Yeah you make a pretty good argument about Ramones. What will it be then?

Neofolk - I think you should suggest something.

I second what you say on Neofolk.
But I think Teenage Kicks is better than any Ramones song as much as I love them.

YouTube - Ramones - Sheena Is A Punk Rocker
it has to be....(damn forgot just how much i love this band)

i just listened to that teenage kicks song and i agree...if it's not Ramones then it should be that :p

and for neofolk...
YouTube - Death in June fall apart
"to love is to lose and to lose is to die"

We should bother a mod and make a Sheena Is A Punk Rocker vs. Teenage Kicks poll.

it's a tough one isn't it!?

Sure is. Nice Ramones pick too btw.

thanks

it was between that and "I Want To Be Your Boyfriend"...which just has to many mix tape failures for me :(

besides Rocket To Russia >>>>Ramones

what album is Teenage Kicks on?

As you wish.

It isn't on any album I have it's just a really big single. The Undertones first album is great but if it had Teenage kicks it would be five stars. It's John peel's favourite song you know?

Oh please, don't make me choose between Sheena Is A Punk Rocker and Teenage Kicks. Both are perfect examples for pop-punk and both bands are one of the earliest punk-rock bands. If I go by the influence The Ramones win, if I go by the more poppy sound, I kinda lean more towards The Undertones. I haven't listened to both of these bands in ages and I really should before the eventual voting.

But, I definitely second (or third) Death in June for Neofolk.

^ Played at his funeral no less.

Yep. When it's the man with the best music taste ever has it played at his funeral, you know it's gotta be good.

i had no idea.....going to look into them today

i agree...i think i need to listen to The Undertones a bit more before an "official" vote.....

i think if you were to look up a definition for the genre "neofolk" Death In June would be on the first front lines (pun intended :) )

As for the current poll, I voted for The Undertones but honestly... I don't see either of those songs representing pop punk. I actually thought Blink 182 (although painfully mainstream and occasionally gag inducing) were a better fit because Pop Punk seems to be a more 90s/early 2000s phenomenon. A band like Green Day or Paramore also seem like obvious choices, but I also had in mind Guttermouth or Pennywise - whom I consider to have quite a bit more weight on the credibility side.

Idk, to me... having a band from the early years of punk to represent pop punk just doesn't seem to fit.

i can see your point....i honestly feel tat 'Dude Ranch' is a good representation of what would become "mainstream" pop punk....

at the same time i feel respect is due :)...and after listening to both songs/albums i went with The Undertones...mainly because as an influence i feel they represent a wider spectrum

As for this dilemma - whether pop-punk should be represented by one of the earlier bands or more recent, I always give the edge to the originators, especially when a certain style has become so generic now, like pop-punk. If I would like to introduce someone to pop-punk (and that's kinda point of this compilation, as I understood) I would certainly rather play The Undertones and The Ramones instead of Blink 182 or whatever, even though their music may have not been called pop-punk in those days. With all the changes punk has been going through, it's pop-punk now. That's how I see it.

I can definetly see your point of view, but in the same vein it probably wouldn't be effective to put Proto-Punk, like Iggy Pop, as the definition of punk rock. Sure it was what originated it, but it still had a lot of stylistic development to go through before it got to it's most reconizable form. I'm just saying since pop-punk really peaked in the 90s, maybe that'd the era of it that should be represented.

No, no I would never put Iggy Pop as the definition of punk-rock. When I say originators I don't mean only influences, I mean the original intent of a certain style or genre. I guess it all boils down to this: Is pop-punk to be regarded as a strict genre (like in the 90s) or as more melodic tendencies of punk-rock?

The Ramones simply weren't "pop punk" when they came onto the scene. For their era, they were PUNK.

I agree with Conan that something from Dude Ranch or Dookie best represents pop punk since it peaked in popularity in the 1990s. 'Welcome to Paradise' is a perfect balance of pop and punk...

I really don't think The Ramones sound has aged well. I thought that song was awful. The Undertones track wasn't very good either, but much better than The Ramones's song...

YouTube - Zoinks! Uma 14 Times
^better than anything Green Day or Blink 182 ever put out....at least as pop-punk is concerned....and from the 90s :)

If we are going for a more modern band but still one with an influence. The Descendents are always an option.

Alkalino Trio is possibly my favorite pop punk band but that's not a very popular opinion around here...

I don't mind Alkaline Trio but they're are better bands. Dillinger Four are my fav pop-punk band but I still think we should go with Teenage Kicks.

I'd never even heard of The Undertones until a few hours ago...

Really? You only listen to modern music though.

Eh, I don't know if modern is the correct label, but I don't have much stuff from before 1985. I have a large concentration from the late 80s/early 90s though...

edit: and if it makes you feel cooler, I just downloaded Situationist Comedy

Yeah welll that's what I meant really.

Seeing as this issue has still not been resolved, I'm bringing this thread back up. I know The Undertones have recieved more votes in the poll, but if we were to compare pop punk of today to either of the two songs in the poll, it's a lot easier to hear the similarities between The Ramones and some of the modern examples I posted earlier in this thread than The Undertones. And Violent brought this up earlier: Blink 182 or Green Day. I think Green Day's earlier material is a far better representation of the genre than Blink 182. "Welcome To Paradise" is a fine pick.