Do you agree with New Jack Swing ruined soul music?

djchameleon · 06-27-2011, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I always read where R&B/Soul genres have so called "Lost its soul" or originality. This is called genealogy of musical genres, the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres like contemporary R&B, neo soul, or new jack swing. It doesn't mean that the original R&B and soul genres no longer exist, or that R&B has lost its soul. Although it also at the same time does not mean that these new genres are better than the original ones they derived from. That would be a matter of individual taste.

thank you!

I had a stupid long frustrating conversation with some old timers about music losing it's soul compared to music today.

Howard the Duck · 06-27-2011, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

I always read where R&B/Soul genres have so called "Lost its soul" or originality. This is called genealogy of musical genres, the pattern of musical genres that have contributed to the development of new genres like contemporary R&B, neo soul, or new jack swing. It doesn't mean that the original R&B and soul genres no longer exist, or that R&B has lost its soul. Although it also at the same time does not mean that these new genres are better than the original ones they derived from. That would be a matter of individual taste.

the newer stuff sound plastic

compare Usher and Beyonce to the Detroit Spinners and the Chi-Lites

djchameleon · 06-27-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

the newer stuff sound plastic

compare Usher and Beyonce to the Detroit Spinners and the Chi-Lites

you are trying to compare apples and oranges though

Howard the Duck · 06-27-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

you are trying to compare apples and oranges though

they're still popular black music, just different eras

i still have hope in neo-soul, especially Maxwell

and for anyone who thinks all New Jack Swing is crap, should listen to Guy

djchameleon · 06-27-2011, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce

i still have hope in neo-soul, especially Maxwell

and for anyone who thinks all New Jack Swing is crap, should listen to Guy

See that's what I was going to explain!

You should be comparing Neo Soul to the artists that you picked to compare to Usher and Beyonce not just because of their popularity but because of their styles

Neo soul would be the modern version to compare to those guys that you listed.

Lyfe Jennings, Maxwell, Erykah Bahdu

MAStudent · 07-06-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Necromancer

It doesn't mean that the original R&B and soul genres no longer exist.

Right

New Jack Swing- I always think of this:
(Classic line-"How can I be down?")
Ice T- New Jack Hustler

Ice T - New Jack Hustler (Nino's Theme) - Bing Videos

MAStudent · 07-06-2011, 03:04 PM

lways liked this one:

Guy- Piece of my love

Guy - Piece Of My Love - Bing Videos

djchameleon · 07-11-2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MisssStacey

Sorry for last post, I agree I love his music

you love Mr. New Jack Swing's music?

Tell me more...

which albums?

mallowman · 07-15-2011, 06:41 PM

I love **** like Blood Sweat tears, they were like 60s / 70s era I think?

HouzeOfPhat · 09-11-2011, 07:30 PM

Well when Guy introduced us to this "New Jack Swing", it wasn't used on all of their material, just a few songs. But those songs had such mass appeal that people lumped everything they did together and called it NJS. New Jack Swing is not Soul nor R&B. To me it's more urban club or dance.

R&B has been moved over into a Hip Hop like environment along with Rap and Soul today is now called Neo-Soul and things are kinda jacked up. People tend to classify every song on an artists album according to what their hit song for that album was and this messed things up.

So if an artist did two Country songs, five love ballads and four Jazz like cuts on their album but the Country songs became hits, then people would say the whole album is Country which is not true.

Look what happened to Robin Thicke, he was not gunning for R&B or Soul but because the song went over so well to that crowd it became R&B instead of Pop.

07-06-2011, 03:04 PM	#17 (permalink)
MAStudent Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Eureka, CA Posts: 87	lways liked this one: Guy- Piece of my love Guy - Piece Of My Love - Bing Videos __________________ "i think that's the real issue right there. first they tell us that there's no such thing as a brontosaurus, and then they tell us that pluto isn't a planet. i think after those two let-downs most americans have just decided "frag scientists." "- oops, I forgot who I quoted. adolescent something?

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HouzeOfPhat Groupie Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 3	Well when Guy introduced us to this "New Jack Swing", it wasn't used on all of their material, just a few songs. But those songs had such mass appeal that people lumped everything they did together and called it NJS. New Jack Swing is not Soul nor R&B. To me it's more urban club or dance. R&B has been moved over into a Hip Hop like environment along with Rap and Soul today is now called Neo-Soul and things are kinda jacked up. People tend to classify every song on an artists album according to what their hit song for that album was and this messed things up. So if an artist did two Country songs, five love ballads and four Jazz like cuts on their album but the Country songs became hits, then people would say the whole album is Country which is not true. Look what happened to Robin Thicke, he was not gunning for R&B or Soul but because the song went over so well to that crowd it became R&B instead of Pop. __________________ Advertising STRICTLY prohibited.

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mallowman Groupie Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 4	I love **** like Blood Sweat tears, they were like 60s / 70s era I think?