Noobie needs help on songwriting

ZDG · 07-19-2015, 03:01 AM

Hey everyone, I am new to the forum (I don't know if this is the right section to post this, sorry if it isn't) and I'm trying to write songs, but the problem here is I have no clue how to do it.

I have various topics I'd like to talk about and when I try to write them down I just don't make an order, I can make some sentences very long and then some very short, they don't really rhyme and when I try to come up with a beat for the song I just can't avoid singing my lyrics in the rhythm of other songs I like.

I'd like to have advice on how to actually write songs and come up with my own rhythm to sing them instead of just using rhythms of other songs. Thank you.

Gamesfan34260 · 07-28-2015, 05:34 PM

Personally, I think the best way to solve this is by coming up with individual rhythms for each long and short, for example...um...make the long lines faster but not too much faster
if that makes sense.

I'd give you an example but I'm afraid that my ability to compose lyrics is more based around improvisation about a subject...also my instrumental style :P

If you find my explanation a little...lack luster then E-mail me "Games.for.life.e @ gmail . com" and I'll try and explain a tad better.

RoxyRollah · 07-28-2015, 08:45 PM

Write a bunch of random phrases that make little to no sense put em in a hat, and paste them together you've got a hit.

**Frownland** · 07-28-2015, 08:58 PM

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Write a bunch of random phrases that make little to no sense put em in a hat, and paste them together you've got a hit.

Can you recommend some popular aleoteric music to me? Everything I've heard has been from less popular artists, the most popular being Cage. I don't think I'd call any of his compositions 'hits'.

RoxyRollah · 07-28-2015, 09:27 PM

I was hoping you were writting yer first hit so you could be #1 one on this list.But it's decidedly not so .

~~E5I5O~~ · 07-29-2015, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDG

Hey everyone, I am new to the forum (I don't know if this is the right section to post this, sorry if it isn't) and I'm trying to write songs, but the problem here is I have no clue how to do it.

I have various topics I'd like to talk about and when I try to write them down I just don't make an order, I can make some sentences very long and then some very short, they don't really rhyme and when I try to come up with a beat for the song I just can't avoid singing my lyrics in the rhythm of other songs I like.

I'd like to have advice on how to actually write songs and come up with my own rhythm to sing them instead of just using rhythms of other songs. Thank you.

As far as writing lyrics goes, try counting the syllables for each and every line and make sure the number of syllables match in each and every line. It doesn't have to rhyme. There's no rule that says a poem or a set of lyrics have to rhyme. As far as you're concerned, that seemed to be one of the things that's tripping you up and holding you back. Forget the rhyming. Just put your thoughts together in poem form. And remember, not all poems rhyme. Some of the greatest poetry did not rhyme. Just start off in basic fashion. Make one stanza, make sure it's about four lines long. Make sure the number of syllables are the same in each and every line, as I said before. Make more stanzas as you go along and continue from there. Try to make at least four stanzas. And remember that a lot of the music lyrics that we have out there would never capture anybody's imagination if they weren't backed by great music. And great music isn't really a riff, plucking technique or piano accompaniment, it's really about melody. The melody that someone sang from their heart and soul when they were experiencing something deep and meaningful in their lives. Some of the greatest song writers never played a musical instrument. They just sang what they felt.

Plankton · 07-29-2015, 08:30 AM

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I try to write them down I just don't make an order

Put them in order.

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Originally Posted by ZDG

I can make some sentences very long and then some very short, they don't really rhyme

Make them rhyme.

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Originally Posted by ZDG

I try to come up with a beat for the song I just can't avoid singing my lyrics in the rhythm of other songs I like.

Find your own beat and stick to it.

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Originally Posted by ZDG

I'd like to have advice on how to actually write songs and come up with my own rhythm to sing them instead of just using rhythms of other songs.

Find a rhythm that suits the feel of the song and use it. A lot of songs borrow from others, just don't blatantly rip another song off.

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Thank you.

You're welcome.

~~E5I5O~~ · 07-29-2015, 08:49 AM

Welcomed for what? Your arrogance and high-and-mighty nature? You can keep all that. And what do you mean, "don't blatantly rip another song off".? That's a huge part of music making. No one comes from nothing. Everyone comes from something. Everyone plays their favorite recording artist's music first before they play their own. Everyone does covers at the beginning. And then, create their own music based off of what they've learned. It's ok to come up with something totally original, but a lot of times, it's best to take something old and simply put a new spin on it. That's how new great songs and new great styles of music are created. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere, it has to come from somewhere. You're not ripping it off, you're just barrowing an old style, and giving it something new.

grindy · 07-29-2015, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by E5I5O

Welcomed for what? Your arrogance and high-and-mighty nature? You can keep all that. And what do you mean, "don't blatantly rip another song off".? That's a huge part of music making. No one comes from nothing. Everyone comes from something. Everyone plays their favorite recording artist's music first before they play their own. Everyone does covers at the beginning. And then, create their own music based off of what they've learned. It's ok to come up with something totally original, but a lot of times, it's best to take something old and simply put a new spin on it. That's how new great songs and new great styles of music are created. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere, it has to come from somewhere. You're not ripping it off, you're just barrowing an old style, and giving it something new.

It's weird how you even manage to quote the word "blatantly" and then proceed disregarding it.

Plankton · 07-29-2015, 09:16 AM

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Welcomed for what? Your arrogance and high-and-mighty nature?

I was pointing out the fact that they are crippling themselves. I'm actually quite humble.

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And what do you mean, "don't blatantly rip another song off".? That's a huge part of music making. No one comes from nothing. Everyone comes from something. Everyone plays their favorite recording artist's music first before they play their own. Everyone does covers at the beginning. And then, create their own music based off of what they've learned. It's ok to come up with something totally original, but a lot of times, it's best to take something old and simply put a new spin on it. That's how new great songs and new great styles of music are created. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere, it has to come from somewhere. You're not ripping it off, you're just barrowing an old style, and giving it something new.

You're right. Thank you.

07-19-2015, 03:01 AM	#1 (permalink)
ZDG Groupie Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1	Noobie needs help on songwriting Hey everyone, I am new to the forum (I don't know if this is the right section to post this, sorry if it isn't) and I'm trying to write songs, but the problem here is I have no clue how to do it. I have various topics I'd like to talk about and when I try to write them down I just don't make an order, I can make some sentences very long and then some very short, they don't really rhyme and when I try to come up with a beat for the song I just can't avoid singing my lyrics in the rhythm of other songs I like. I'd like to have advice on how to actually write songs and come up with my own rhythm to sing them instead of just using rhythms of other songs. Thank you.

07-28-2015, 05:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Gamesfan34260 Groupie Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 1	Personally, I think the best way to solve this is by coming up with individual rhythms for each long and short, for example...um...make the long lines faster but not too much faster if that makes sense. I'd give you an example but I'm afraid that my ability to compose lyrics is more based around improvisation about a subject...also my instrumental style :P If you find my explanation a little...lack luster then E-mail me "Games.for.life.e @ gmail . com" and I'll try and explain a tad better.

07-29-2015, 08:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
~~E5I5O~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 206	Welcomed for what? Your arrogance and high-and-mighty nature? You can keep all that. And what do you mean, "don't blatantly rip another song off".? That's a huge part of music making. No one comes from nothing. Everyone comes from something. Everyone plays their favorite recording artist's music first before they play their own. Everyone does covers at the beginning. And then, create their own music based off of what they've learned. It's ok to come up with something totally original, but a lot of times, it's best to take something old and simply put a new spin on it. That's how new great songs and new great styles of music are created. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere, it has to come from somewhere. You're not ripping it off, you're just barrowing an old style, and giving it something new.