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[timihaze]

I was in a hard rock band called Lunyne and we released an album called Outside In, and I previously released an album called Green Bird under the name Permanent Zero (both albums are on youtube.)

Now I have a music video up on youtube under my name Timi Haze for a song called Sleepsound. My style's kind of all over the place though.

[timihaze]

Originally Posted by MicShazam

Trying to come up with a new style to write in.

I put some effort into this one.

Honest and serious feedback would be much appreciated.


It's by no means done of course. I'm sort of feeling my way forward.

Did you mean to go off time at 0:21-0:30? Could be an interesting way to go but if you're trying to create a less stilted sound that's more naturally palatable I'd say to adjust the melodic rhythm.

[MicShazam]

I'm not sure in what sense it's off time? I didn't write it to fit 4/4 necessarily.
There's some uneven breaks and the piano notes are placed more by ear than by the grid.

Not saying I'm not going to change anything, but it was deliberately written in a way where I don't worry about locking everything down the way I usually do, which is also why there's no percussion.

[Frownland]

Originally Posted by MicShazam

Sounds like a guy swishing mouthwash during a lazer battle.

It will get more developed. Probably add some guy (or girl) eating and/or spitting as well.

Originally Posted by timihaze

I was in a hard rock band called Lunyne and we released an album called Outside In, and I previously released an album called Green Bird under the name Permanent Zero (both albums are on youtube.)

Now I have a music video up on youtube under my name Timi Haze for a song called Sleepsound. My style's kind of all over the place though.

You seem like a good poster not here just to promote your music, but check out our rules on newer members promoting their music just to make sure that you're not going overboard too quickly (you're good atm though).

[timihaze]

Originally Posted by Frownland

It will get more developed. Probably add some guy (or girl) eating and/or spitting as well.



You seem like a good poster not here just to promote your music, but check out on newer members promoting their music just to make sure that you're not going overboard too quickly (you're good atm though).

I'm just here to make some music buddies, but thanks for the heads up I'll be sure to keep the rules in mind!

[timihaze]

Originally Posted by MicShazam

I'm not sure in what sense it's off time? I didn't write it to fit 4/4 necessarily.
There's some uneven breaks and the piano notes are placed more by ear than by the grid.

Not saying I'm not going to change anything, but it was deliberately written in a way where I don't worry about locking everything down the way I usually do, which is also why there's no percussion.

So you're saying you want it to have a more fluctuating rhythmic feel? As in you want the tempo to modulate as you're playing? The tempo seemed to change at various points through the piece. I didn't measure it with a metronome however so I'm not 100% certain. Modulating tempo and rhythm can be interesting. It sounds like you're saying you want to play what you feel first and then organize it later. If that's what you mean I think that's a great idea for bringing out emotional themes as your piece will be governed more by your instincts while creating. Of course, editing can be used later for distributing emphasis within the piece.

[MicShazam]

Originally Posted by timihaze

So you're saying you want it to have a more fluctuating rhythmic feel? As in you want the tempo to modulate as you're playing? The tempo seemed to change at various points through the piece. I didn't measure it with a metronome however so I'm not 100% certain. Modulating tempo and rhythm can be interesting. It sounds like you're saying you want to play what you feel first and then organize it later. If that's what you mean I think that's a great idea for bringing out emotional themes as your piece will be governed more by your instincts while creating. Of course, editing can be used later for distributing emphasis within the piece.

Yes, modulating or fluctuating tempo would be a good way to put it. More like classical music, where the conductor may change the pace and flow over time, than popular music that generally follows a beat in some sense or other.

Actually, the BPM of the track as a whole is steady, but notes have varying line intervals between them and some of the pages of melody have some "empty space" inserted between them.

There is a way to manually change the set tempo of the piece while it's playing, so I could try to take it further.

The trick is to make it sound "right". I'm going to adjust things by ear as I go along and just go with what feels right to me. I actually have no business attempting to write stuff like this as I know almost nothing about musical theory and can't play any instruments.

[Mondo Bungle]

nah I'm pretty sure you're supposed to make it sound "wrong"

[timihaze]

Originally Posted by MicShazam

Yes, modulating or fluctuating tempo would be a good way to put it. More like classical music, where the conductor may change the pace and flow over time, than popular music that generally follows a beat in some sense or other.

Actually, the BPM of the track as a whole is steady, but notes have varying line intervals between them and some of the pages of melody have some "empty space" inserted between them.

There is a way to manually change the set tempo of the piece while it's playing, so I could try to take it further.

The trick is to make it sound "right". I'm going to adjust things by ear as I go along and just go with what feels right to me. I actually have no business attempting to write stuff like this as I know almost nothing about musical theory and can't play any instruments.

Oh I understand now. The melodic notes seem stilted to the rhythm of the chords when they come in. This is not a bad thing it's just unusual. So you're using a virtual keyboard in a DAW and inputting notes manually? It can be difficult to align notes with manual inputting, have you tried using Quantizing?
The Quantize feature can help with aligning notes.

Also, sounds like you're experimenting by what sounds good and that's cool, but I do recommend getting a music theory book such as Music Theory for Dummies (helped me out immensely even though I've learned Classical music from an early age.) It's always great to learn what has been created and about the structures in place and this will help you make better and more thoughtful music, for as Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."

And in this day and age, although learning a real instrument isn't absolutely necessary, getting a feel and developing a relationship with real instruments has done something for me that I can't quite articulate. It's a special connection that I couldn't live without.

[MicShazam]

Originally Posted by timihaze

Oh I understand now. The melodic notes seem stilted to the rhythm of the chords when they come in. This is not a bad thing it's just unusual. So you're using a virtual keyboard in a DAW and inputting notes manually? It can be difficult to align notes with manual inputting, have you tried using Quantizing?
The Quantize feature can help with aligning notes.

Also, sounds like you're experimenting by what sounds good and that's cool, but I do recommend getting a music theory book such as Music Theory for Dummies (helped me out immensely even though I've learned Classical music from an early age.) It's always great to learn what has been created and about the structures in place and this will help you make better and more thoughtful music, for as Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further than others, it is by standing upon the shoulders of giants."

And in this day and age, although learning a real instrument isn't absolutely necessary, getting a feel and developing a relationship with real instruments has done something for me that I can't quite articulate. It's a special connection that I couldn't live without.

I'm inputting notes on lines in a tracker program (pictured below), using just my PC keyboard. So I kind of try to place notes off-rhythm in going by the visuals first, then I play it back and adjust things if it doesn't seem right. Rinse and repeat.

Spoiler for big picture:

I do have a keyboard of the kind you play on, but I'm just barely getting started with practicing basic chords.

Been reading a bit of theory here and there over the years, but only enough to give me a very rough idea of how to piece together something more harmonically complex. I'm a believer in the method of just going head first into a thing and then worry about the details as problem come along that you need to solve.