About writing! (lyrics, album, AC/DC, reviews, vocalist)

littleknowitall · 04-23-2006, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by A_Perfect_Sonnet

None of you are good writers anyway, so I can see why you wouldn't understand that lyrics are a form of poetry. Kudos to your ignorance.

lyrics CAN be a form of poetry, that's what your not understanding, they dont HAVE to be poetry, and well leave it to the majority to decide who is ignorant, the majority being everyone you just insulted.

~~bungalow~~ · 04-23-2006, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moley

lyrics CAN be a form of poetry, that's what your not understanding, they dont HAVE to be poetry, and well leave it to the majority to decide who is ignorant, the majority being everyone you just insulted.

A lyric, is a poem. Anytime lyrics are written it is poetry, because lyric is a form of poetry. Not all poetry consists of lyrics though.

littleknowitall · 04-23-2006, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

A lyric, is a poem. Anytime lyrics are written it is poetry, because lyric is a form of poetry. Not all poetry consists of lyrics though.

i was under the impression that it could be put across as simply 'literature'

words written over a musical melody so to speak, hense forth are lyrics but...

the narration to peter and the wolf is not poetry it explains what the different features of the orchestra represent, the verse to demon hunter along with alot of other steeleye span songs are simply stories, they're not written to have any poetic license to them
and once in a life time by talking heads the verse is more of a speach really.

they're still all lyrics, just not what would be considered poetry.

~~bungalow~~ · 04-24-2006, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by moley

i was under the impression that it could be put across as simply 'literature'

words written over a musical melody so to speak, hense forth are lyrics but...

the narration to peter and the wolf is not poetry it explains what the different features of the orchestra represent, the verse to demon hunter along with alot of other steeleye span songs are simply stories, they're not written to have any poetic license to them
and once in a life time by talking heads the verse is more of a speach really.

they're still all lyrics, just not what would be considered poetry.

In that sense, any time a song is 'spoken' we call that 'spoken word'. The only reason they are sometimes refered to as lyrics is because people are used to songs consisting of lyrics, and still refer to spoken word as lyrical which it is not. Lyrics are poetry. There for all lyrics are poetry, but all poetry is not lyrical so therefore not all poetry is lyrics.....get it?

DontRunMeOver · 04-25-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

In that sense, any time a song is 'spoken' we call that 'spoken word'. The only reason they are sometimes refered to as lyrics is because people are used to songs consisting of lyrics, and still refer to spoken word as lyrical which it is not. Lyrics are poetry. There for all lyrics are poetry, but all poetry is not lyrical so therefore not all poetry is lyrics.....get it?

To consider something as poetry, by the normal definitions, it has to use language in a way which is more beautiful, or more rhythmic, or more vivid, or somehow more creative than the way in which language is typically used in everyday conversation. I agree that MOST lyrics are poetic/poetry, but it is entirely possible to sing non-poetic words to music, fitting them to a melody, which is enough for them to be described as lyrics. The pure fact that they are sung isn't enough to promote the words to the title of poetry, as the definition of poetry comes from the use of the use of vocabulary and grammar, not from the context in which that vocabulary and grammar is read.

AC/DCs lyrics, however (although Moley disagrees), are a form of poetry but they are very simple and clear poetry. They do use metaphor, rhyming and specific meters, so they definitely count as poetry.

~~bungalow~~ · 04-25-2006, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

To consider something as poetry, by the normal definitions, it has to use language in a way which is more beautiful, or more rhythmic, or more vivid, or somehow more creative than the way in which language is typically used in everyday conversation. I agree that MOST lyrics are poetic/poetry, but it is entirely possible to sing non-poetic words to music, fitting them to a melody, which is enough for them to be described as lyrics. The pure fact that they are sung isn't enough to promote the words to the title of poetry, as the definition of poetry comes from the use of the use of vocabulary and grammar, not from the context in which that vocabulary and grammar is read.

AC/DCs lyrics, however (although Moley disagrees), are a form of poetry but they are very simple and clear poetry. They do use metaphor, rhyming and specific meters, so they definitely count as poetry.

Lyrics are poetry. Not sometimes, all the time, if they are considered lyrics, then they are poetry, always.

DontRunMeOver · 04-25-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

Lyrics are poetry. Not sometimes, all the time, if they are considered lyrics, then they are poetry, always.

Bill! I think we're going to have to call time on this poetry and lyrics argument, as we're just going to end up going round in circles, I think we've both been saying exactly the same arguments for the last few posts. What was the original point of the thread? Oh yes...

skiesofganymede, could you talk us through your own songwriting process?

DontRunMeOver · 04-25-2006, 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by bungalowbill357

In that sense, any time a song is 'spoken' we call that 'spoken word'. The only reason they are sometimes refered to as lyrics is because people are used to songs consisting of lyrics, and still refer to spoken word as lyrical which it is not. Lyrics are poetry. There for all lyrics are poetry, but all poetry is not lyrical so therefore not all poetry is lyrics.....get it?

To consider something as poetry, by the normal definitions, it has to use language in a way which is more beautiful, or more rhythmic, or more vivid, or somehow more creative than the way in which language is typically used in everyday conversation. I agree that MOST lyrics are poetic/poetry, but it is entirely possible to sing non-poetic words to music, fitting them to a melody, which is enough for them to be described as lyrics. The pure fact that they are sung isn't enough to promote the words to the title of poetry, as the definition of poetry comes from the use of the use of vocabulary and grammar, not from the context in which that vocabulary and grammar is read.

AC/DCs lyrics, however (although Moley disagrees), are a form of poetry but they are very simple and clear poetry. They do use metaphor, rhyming and specific meters, so they definitely count as poetry.

littleknowitall · 04-25-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DontRunMeOver

To consider something as poetry, by the normal definitions, it has to use language in a way which is more beautiful, or more rhythmic, or more vivid, or somehow more creative than the way in which language is typically used in everyday conversation. I agree that MOST lyrics are poetic/poetry, but it is entirely possible to sing non-poetic words to music, fitting them to a melody, which is enough for them to be described as lyrics. The pure fact that they are sung isn't enough to promote the words to the title of poetry, as the definition of poetry comes from the use of the use of vocabulary and grammar, not from the context in which that vocabulary and grammar is read.

AC/DCs lyrics, however (although Moley disagrees), are a form of poetry but they are very simple and clear poetry. They do use metaphor, rhyming and specific meters, so they definitely count as poetry.

heh, im not so much in disagreement with ac/dc being poetry, i just didn't use the right choice of words, i didn't think it was going to be payed much attention to but when i said poetry i wasn't really thinking into it, what i clearly meant was that lyrics didn't have to be overly descriptive and in depth, you people nit pick alot you know that?

however i will not accept that ALL lyrics can be called poetry.

DontRunMeOver · 04-25-2006, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by moley

heh, im not so much in disagreement with ac/dc being poetry, i just didn't use the right choice of words, i didn't think it was going to be payed much attention to but when i said poetry i wasn't really thinking into it, what i clearly meant was that lyrics didn't have to be overly descriptive and in depth, you people nit pick alot you know that?

however i will not accept that ALL lyrics can be called poetry.

That's right, I know what you meant and you were right. Its only nit-picking to people who just listen to lyrics though... to those of us who have to write lyrics, write them decently every time and get our asses kicked if we don't, these little details can be important!