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Eleanor Rigby 14 01-12-2021 10:57 AM

I'm not asking who did better in The Yardbirds, although you can coment about it, too. Vote which of the following guitarists do you enjoy listening to the most:
Eric Clapton
He's probably the most complete musician. He had his own interesting bluesy style mixed with rock and sometimes even with pop, he has gained the respect of everyone and has had a huge influence on other artists. He's played in many bands, most of them have been successful and also had a solo career marked by hits. He wrote his own songs, played them and sung them too, unlike Page and Beck. He had a great capacity to improvise and a lot of feeling. Objectively, he's the best.
Jeff Beck
He probably had the most personal style. He could mix completely different styles and make them sound great. Great feeling and improvisation...but not a good composer. In fact I can't think of many good Jeff Beck tunes written by himself...His best song was written by Stevie Wonder, who couldn't even play the guitar. I think he's the most original one, though.
Jimmy Page
He was lucky, very lucky to belong to Led Zeppelin. He was the perfect guitarist for a perfect band. He had it everything: versatility, originality, his own style, improvisation, songwriting abilities...Oh, but he's got into some trouble because of that, right? Well, in my opinion, in some of the plagiarism cases, like Stairway To Heaven, I don't think they were intentionally done, or, if they were, I think he just got inspired in most of the cases. So here we have the ideal guitar player, but, what happens when you think about him outside Led Zeppelin? Sure he's worked with many musicians after that, but he didn't even come close to the things he achieved with Led Zeppelin. Unlike Clapton and Beck, he's known for the things he recorded with his band.

So, who am I going to vote for?
To hell with all the comparisons and analysis! Jimmy Page rules!

Page has 2 votes and Beck has 1, while "God" doesn't have a single vote yet! If you vote, please coment your reasons, it's interesting for me to get to know others' opinions!

Psy-Fi 01-13-2021 06:18 AM

I voted for Jeff Beck. Most of my favorite Yardbirds songs were from his time with the band and I prefer much more of his solo work than that of Clapton or Page. I've also seen each of them perform live (Page with The Firm & with Page and Plant, Clapton with Cream, and Beck with three different lineups between 1989 and the early 2000's) and as good as Clapton is and as good as Page can sometimes be, Beck is a virtuoso on the guitar. And Jeff Beck also has that all-important vibe/feel factor to go with every different style he plays (more so than Clapton and considerably more so than Page) in my opinion.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2155710)
I voted for Jeff Beck. Most of my favorite Yardbirds songs were from his time with the band and I prefer much more of his solo work than that of Clapton or Page. I've also seen each of them perform live (Page with The Firm & with Page and Plant, Clapton with Cream, and Beck with three different lineups between 1989 and the early 2000's) and as good as Clapton is and as good as Page can sometimes be, Beck is a virtuoso on the guitar. And Jeff Beck also has that all-important vibe/feel factor to go with every different style he plays (more so than Clapton and considerably more so than Page) in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree with some of the things you said, for example, that most of the Yardbirds' best songs were from his time. Thanks for voting!

OccultHawk 01-13-2021 06:50 AM

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Clapton with Cream
Really? What year?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155720)
Really? What year?

I know Cream reunited in 2005, it was their first reunion since the 60s or had they reunited before 2005?

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I've also seen each of them perform live (Page with The Firm & with Page and Plant, Clapton with Cream, and Beck with three different lineups between 1989 and the early 2000's)
Oh my God, now I'm really jealous. Were the tickets expensive?

Psy-Fi 01-13-2021 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155720)
Really? What year?

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2155722)
Cream reunited in 2005

Yes, it was 2005. I was alive in the 60's but my parents didn't take me to any Cream shows back then. However, I did get to see an outdoor free show with my parents which featured The Jefferson Airplane with The Grateful Dead as the opening act in 1967.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2155724)
Yes, it was 2005. I was alive in the 60's but my parents didn't take me to any Cream shows back then. However, I did get to see an outdoor free show with my parents which featured The Jefferson Airplane with The Grateful Dead as the opening act in 1967.

Ohhhh, you were so lucky, you got to see the best ones live! I wish I could've had the chance to see all the musicians you've mentioned!

OccultHawk 01-13-2021 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2155724)
Yes, it was 2005. I was alive in the 60's but my parents didn't take me to any Cream shows back then. However, I did get to see an outdoor free show with my parents which featured The Jefferson Airplane with The Grateful Dead as the opening act in 1967.

Wow. Where was that?

OccultHawk 01-13-2021 07:07 AM

And psy-fy stop setting a bad example about not loving Yoko as the goddess she is.

Psy-Fi 01-13-2021 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2155723)
Oh my God, now I'm really jealous. Were the tickets expensive?

The only expensive tickets were for Cream. $160 (face value) (US) per ticket for floor seats. We were front row in the left rear section on the floor of Madison Square Garden. It's the most, by far, that I've ever paid or will ever pay to see a show. I figured it would be my once in a lifetime chance to see them but, even so, the ticket price had me questioning my sanity from the moment I decided to buy the ticket until the band came onstage and started playing. As soon as they started playing, I felt like it was worth every cent.

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Wow. Where was that?

Montreal, Canada, August 6, 1967. We were there on vacation at the time and the Dead & the Airplane just happened to be playing together while we were there.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2155743)
The only expensive tickets were for Cream. $160 (face value) (US) per ticket for floor seats. We were front row in the left rear section on the floor of Madison Square Garden. It's the most, by far, that I've ever paid or will ever pay to see a show. I figured it would be my once in a lifetime chance to see them but, even so, the ticket price had me questioning my sanity from the moment I decided to buy the ticket until the band came onstage and started playing. As soon as they started playing, I felt like it was worth every cent.



Montreal, Canada, August 6, 1967. We were there on vacation at the time and the Dead & the Airplane just happened to be playing together while we were there.

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The only expensive tickets were for Cream. $160 (face value) (US) per ticket for floor seats. We were front row in the left rear section on the floor of Madison Square Garden. It's the most, by far, that I've ever paid or will ever pay to see a show. I figured it would be my once in a lifetime chance to see them but, even so, the ticket price had me questioning my sanity from the moment I decided to buy the ticket until the band came onstage and started playing. As soon as they started playing, I felt like it was worth every cent.
That's so cool! I would 've payed anything to see Cream or Pink Floyd live, too!!
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We were there on vacation at the time and the Dead & the Airplane just happened to be playing together while we were there.
I guess now it would be impossible to see two great bands performing together for free! Grace Slick was one the best female rock icons for sure. Just a tiny little step below Janis Joplin, in my opinion.

OccultHawk 01-13-2021 08:38 AM

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As soon as they started playing, I felt like it was worth every cent.
I’d rather have seen them when you did than when they recorded Live Cream(s). I bet EC showed far more discretion and the solos were better and more entertaining too

Did they play I Feel Free?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 08:45 AM

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Did they play I Feel Free?
That's one of my favourite ones!

Psy-Fi 01-13-2021 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155728)
And psy-fy stop setting a bad example about not loving Yoko as the goddess she is.

:shycouch:

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155752)
I’d rather have seen them when you did than when they recorded Live Cream(s). I bet EC showed far more discretion and the solos were better and more entertaining too

Did they play I Feel Free?

No, they didn't play "I Feel Free" but I wish they had.

This was the setlist...

Cream Setlist 10/25/2005

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-13-2021 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Psy-Fi (Post 2155770)
:shycouch:



No, they didn't play "I Feel Free" but I wish they had.

This was the setlist...

Cream Setlist 10/25/2005

Well, they played most of my favourite ones except Strange Brew and I Feel Free.

If Clapton gets a vote, I'm gonna buy a guitar and start learning how to play Layla.
And if he wins, I'm only gonna listen to blues my whole life!

Neapolitan 01-14-2021 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2155582)
I'm not asking who did better in The Yardbirds, although you can coment about it, too. Vote which of the following guitarists do you enjoy listening to the most:

Jeff Beck
He probably had the most personal style. He could mix completely different styles and make them sound great. Great feeling and improvisation...but not a good composer. In fact I can't think of many good Jeff Beck tunes written by himself...His best song was written by Stevie Wonder, who couldn't even play the guitar. I think he's the most original one, though.

False! The best Beck tune was a song written by Curtis Mayfield, not Stevie Wonder. The guitar playing on the cover-song which was originally written by Curtis Mayfield showcases Beck at his finest. The song written by Don Nix is a close second. Freddie King and Stone the Crows also do decent version of the song written by Don Nix. The Beck tune written by Jan Hammer comes in at third place. So that places the song written Stevie Wonder a few spots out of first place. Plus I heard that Stevie Wonder could play any instrument in the studio. I didn't know he could not play the guitar. I always assumed he did play guitar - though I am not quite sure now. Anyways Jeff Beck helped in creating the song written by Stevie Wonder. Jeff Beck is also a multi-instrumentalist. Stevie Wonder invited Jeff Beck for a collaboration where Beck came up with the drum intro to the song that was written by Stevie Wonder.

The poll left out Keith Relf and Jim McCarty who went on to form the band Renaissance.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 2155961)
False! The best Beck tune was a song written by Curtis Mayfield, not Stevie Wonder. The guitar playing on the cover-song which was originally written by Curtis Mayfield showcases Beck at his finest. The song written by Don Nix is a close second. Freddie King and Stone the Crows also do decent version of the song written by Don Nix. The Beck tune written by Jan Hammer comes in at third place. So that places the song written Stevie Wonder a few spots out of first place. Plus I heard that Stevie Wonder could play any instrument in the studio. I didn't know he could not play the guitar. I always assumed he did play guitar - though I am not quite sure now. Anyways Jeff Beck helped in creating the song written by Stevie Wonder. Jeff Beck is also a multi-instrumentalist. Stevie Wonder invited Jeff Beck for a collaboration where Beck came up with the drum intro to the song that was written by Stevie Wonder.

The poll left out Keith Relf and Jim McCarty who went on to form the band Renaissance.

Depends on which one you consider to be his best song. In my opinion it's Cause We've Ended As Lovers, written by Stevie Wonder. The poll was about which of the three guitarists that had been part of The Yardbirds is your favourite one. What I wanted to say is that Jeff Beck, as a songwriter, was not as good as Clapton and Page, in my opinion. I'm not sure if you agree on this, but you mention that many of his famous tunes were written by others. And about Stevie Wonder, I wasn't so sure if we could play guitar or not so I searched it:
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Wonder is skilled on the keyboard, bass, drums and harmonica.
Anyway, thanks for your opinion! By the way, between Clapton, Page and Beck, who's your favourite one?

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 04:17 AM

My favorite Jeff Beck song is People Get Ready with Rod Stewart which is an Impressions cover written by Curtis Mayfield.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155963)
My favorite Jeff Beck song is People Get Ready with Rod Stewart which is an Impressions cover written by Curtis Mayfield.

Yes, I really like that one, too!!

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 04:23 AM



These cover from the musical Show Boat by Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein II is way up there too.

Seen both Jeff Beck and The Firm. Can confirm Jeff Beck was better.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 04:28 AM

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These cover from the musical Show Boat by Jerome Kern and Oscar Hammerstein II is way up there too.

Seen both Jeff Beck and The Firm. Can confirm Jeff Beck was better.

I can't watch the video, I'll search for it. Definately Page was the one who depended the most on his band. Both Beck and Clapton have had much more success on working with other musicians.

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 04:39 AM

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Definately Page was the one who depended the most on his band. Both Beck and Clapton have had much more success on working with other musicians.
Good point

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 05:23 AM

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Good point

You voted for Page, right? I thought you were going to vote Clapton!

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2155984)
You voted for Page, right? I thought you were going to vote Clapton!

Hell no.

Clapton is an overrated bore with a splattering of decent songs.

Page wields the hammer of the gods. The fist five seconds of communication breakdown is worth more than clapton’s entire career.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 05:41 AM

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Hell no.

Clapton is an overrated bore with a splattering of decent songs.

Page wields the hammer of the gods. The fist five seconds of communication breakdown is worth more than clapton’s entire career.

Well, I don't agree that Clapton was overrated from 1966-1970. Cream were amazing and Derek And The Dominos, too. Maybe he got a little bit boring after that. I don't like Wonderful Tonight, for example.
I'd say Page was the riff master, but much more apart from that
Communication Breakdown is amazing, I can't understand why did I rate it with such a low mark on the Led Zeppelin thread. Probably because it's my phone's ringtone and I listen to that riff twice a day lol.

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 05:47 AM

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I don't agree that Clapton was overrated from 1966-1970
He was. Probably the most overrated guitarist ever. The whole Clapton is God thing. Ridiculous.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 05:58 AM

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He was. Probably the most overrated guitarist ever. The whole Clapton is God thing. Ridiculous.

NO! That graffiti is my computer's wallpaper!!
I even thought about choosing Clapton Is God as my nickname!

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk (Post 2155995)
He was. Probably the most overrated guitarist ever. The whole Clapton is God thing. Ridiculous.

The most overrated guitarists were Keith Richards or Slash, imo.

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 06:24 AM

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Keith Richards
Girl you’re gonna get your Spanish butt thrown in detention.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 06:25 AM

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Girl you’re gonna get your Spanish butt thrown in detention.

What do you mean? No need to insult me, by the way.

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Girl you’re gonna get your Spanish butt thrown in detention.

Both Clapton and Richards are considered as amazing guitarists. You think that Clapton is the most overrated guitarist, OK, I don't agree, but I don't remember insulting you.

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156008)
Both Clapton and Richards are considered as amazing guitarists. You think that Clapton is the most overrated guitarist, OK, I don't agree, but I don't remember insulting you.

That’s enough of that Ms. Rigby. Go to your room this very minute. And don’t come out until youre finished listening to Let it Bleed. Ms. Sassy Mouth!

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 06:43 AM

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That’s enough of that Ms. Rigby. Go to your room this very minute. And don’t come out until youre finished listening to Let it Bleed. Ms. Sassy Mouth!

You're being the sassy one. I'm not a freakin' music encyclopedia and I can't love everything!! If I want to listen to Let It Bleed I will, but right now I don't want to listen to an album which has a song like You Can't Always Get You Want, one of the most boring things I've ever heard in my whole life!!

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156010)
You're being the sassy one. I'm not a freakin' music encyclopedia and I can't love everything!! If I want to listen to Let It Bleed I will, but right now I don't want to listen to an album which has a song like You Can't Always Get You Want, one of the most boring things I've ever heard in my whole life!!

Do I need to call your mother?

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 06:45 AM

What if someone told you to go to your room and listen to Disraeli Gears and not come back until you've finished listening to it?

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Do I need to call your mother?

What the hell are you talkin' about? Are you gonna call her and tell her I hate the Stones? She doesn't even know who Mick Jagger is!

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14 (Post 2156012)
What if someone told you to go to your room and listen to Disraeli Gears and not come back until you've finished listening to it?


What the hell are you talkin' about? Are you gonna call her and tell her I hate the Stones? She doesn't even know who Mick Jagger is!

Well I NEVER!!! You’re being downright incorrigible! This behavior is outrageous!

But Disraeli Gears is awesome so that’s not going to be a problem.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 07:06 AM

No, my behaviour was correct, you began by calling me Ms. Sassy.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 07:09 AM

Look, you think Clapton is overrated, I think the Rolling Stones were overrated, there's no need to start a fight about this.

Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 07:12 AM

And there's no need to make fun of my age either.

OccultHawk 01-14-2021 07:27 AM

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Eleanor Rigby 14 01-14-2021 07:54 AM

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I thought it was cool to talk with you about music, but if you just don't find interesting debating about music with me or recommending things, just say it (I sort of understand that I tend to consider as "overrated" everything that I don't lilke, but I never behave like an arrogant or a "sassy" person). Also, if you're angry cause I'm new here, I'm 14 and I post too many things per day, let me know, too.
P.S. I'm sorry but I don't understand gifs, memes and these kind of things.


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