Lennon-McCartney vs Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-12-2021, 03:48 AM

Which songrwriting partnership was better? Please coment and tell your reasons!

OccultHawk · 01-12-2021, 06:25 AM

Lennon McCartney were the most revolutionary and influential and straight up simply wrote the best songs and in crazy numbers.

Waters typically wrote by himself and Zep often wrote as a band or with JPJ.

**Marie Monday** · 01-12-2021, 06:25 AM

Lennon and McCartney by a mile. It's not even comparable imo

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-12-2021, 07:14 AM

I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but Wish You Were Here, Comfortably Numb or Shine On You Crazy Diamond were written by Gilmour (music) and Waters (lyrics), so I'd say Pink Floyd was based on the songs these two wrote together. As for Led Zeppelin, John Paul Jones would suggest ideas, but I'd say he was to Led Zeppelin what George Harrison was to The Beatles (and what Rick Wright was to Pink Floyd). Jimmy Page and Robert Plant wrote/arranged together the following songs without the help of any other band member:
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, The Battle Of Evermore, Four Sticks, Going To California, Houses Of The Holy, Immigrant Song, Living Loving Maid, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Over The Hills and Far Away, The Rain Song, Ramble On, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Tangerine, Ten Years Gone, Thank You or What Is And What Should Never Be.
I still agree that Lennon-McCartney were better, but I think it's fair to compare them with others, too. Maybe it would have been more fair to remove Lennon and McCartney and just compare Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant, what do you think?
But hey, it's just an opinion.
And thank you for voting!

Psy-Fi · 01-12-2021, 07:18 AM

I voted for Lennon & McCartney for the same reasons as Hawk and Marie. I dig Zeppelin and Floyd and I think they're both in the upper echelon of rock groups but John & Paul were at a level above both of them and pretty much everyone else.

OccultHawk · 01-12-2021, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14

I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but Wish You Were Here, Comfortably Numb or Shine On You Crazy Diamond were written by Gilmour (music) and Waters (lyrics), so I'd say Pink Floyd was based on the songs these two wrote together. As for Led Zeppelin, John Paul Jones would suggest ideas, but I'd say he was to Led Zeppelin what George Harrison was to The Beatles (and what Rick Wright was to Pink Floyd). Jimmy Page and Robert Plant wrote/arranged together the following songs without the help of any other band member:
Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, The Battle Of Evermore, Four Sticks, Going To California, Houses Of The Holy, Immigrant Song, Living Loving Maid, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Over The Hills and Far Away, The Rain Song, Ramble On, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Tangerine, Ten Years Gone, Thank You or What Is And What Should Never Be.
I still agree that Lennon-McCartney were better, but I think it's fair to compare them with others, too.
But hey, it's just an opinion.

Those are great examples. But ultimately Waters was a dictator and Zeppelin was a band. And George Harrison wrote independently compared to JPJ. Even No Quarter JPJ’s greatest achievement (and LZ’s as well imo) was co-written with Page and Plant

However you list enough songs to where all of your examples are song writing tandems so fair enough. It just doesn’t strike me the same as L-M or Jagger Richards

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

It’s a good poll.

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-12-2021, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Those are great examples. But ultimately Waters was a dictator and Zeppelin was a band. And George Harrison wrote independently compared to JPJ. Even No Quarter JPJ’s greatest achievement (and LZ’s as well imo) was co-written with Page and Plant

However you list enough songs to where all of your examples are song writing tandems so fair enough. It just doesn’t strike me the same as L-M or Jagger Richards

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

It’s a good poll.

Yeah, I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but it's interesting to see if the others get some votes, too. I get your point, my favourite Zep tune was also cowritten with JPJ (Since I've Been Loving You), what I wanted to say when I compared him with Harrison and Wright was that he was the "quiet" member always adding instruments or ideas instead of really writing a song (usually Page and Plant did that). I agree, Harrison wrote on his own during the last years of the band, but in the beginning he would just come up with ideas to make better the Lennon-McCartney songs.
Waters became the dictator of Pink Floyd when they're working on The Wall, he wrote 23 songs out of 26, if i remember well, on his own. But The Wall is being mostly remembered for Another Brick In The Wall Pt.2 (written entirely by Waters), Comfortably Numb (the music is from David Gilmour) and maybe Young Lust (music also from David Gilmour) So I'd say both had the same importance in Pink Floyd's songrwriting.
And I'm very glad to be able to coment here, it's very interesting to debate about music while I try to improve my English xd (that's why my coments are sooo long)

OccultHawk · 01-12-2021, 07:47 AM

Great points!

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-12-2021, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Great points!

Thanks!

Let's see if Floyd or Zep get at least a vote!

**Marie Monday** · 01-12-2021, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Otoh if you really break it down you have to admit the L-M “team” was a farce. They wrote independently.

In the later years they did, but during the first half of their run their songwriting was definitely intertwined.

View Poll Results: Lennon-McCartney vs Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant
Lennon-McCartney (The Beatles)	12	85.71%
Waters-Gilmour (Pink Floyd)	1	7.14%
Page-Plant (Led Zeppelin)	1	7.14%
Voters: 14. You may not vote on this poll

01-12-2021, 03:48 AM	#1 (permalink)
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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Lennon McCartney were the most revolutionary and influential and straight up simply wrote the best songs and in crazy numbers. Waters typically wrote by himself and Zep often wrote as a band or with JPJ. __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html

01-12-2021, 07:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
Eleanor Rigby 14 Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2021 Location: Madrid, Spain Posts: 413	I agree that Lennon-McCartney were the best ones, but Wish You Were Here, Comfortably Numb or Shine On You Crazy Diamond were written by Gilmour (music) and Waters (lyrics), so I'd say Pink Floyd was based on the songs these two wrote together. As for Led Zeppelin, John Paul Jones would suggest ideas, but I'd say he was to Led Zeppelin what George Harrison was to The Beatles (and what Rick Wright was to Pink Floyd). Jimmy Page and Robert Plant wrote/arranged together the following songs without the help of any other band member: Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, The Battle Of Evermore, Four Sticks, Going To California, Houses Of The Holy, Immigrant Song, Living Loving Maid, Nobody's Fault But Mine, Over The Hills and Far Away, The Rain Song, Ramble On, STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN, Tangerine, Ten Years Gone, Thank You or What Is And What Should Never Be. I still agree that Lennon-McCartney were better, but I think it's fair to compare them with others, too. Maybe it would have been more fair to remove Lennon and McCartney and just compare Waters-Gilmour vs Page-Plant, what do you think? But hey, it's just an opinion. And thank you for voting! Last edited by Eleanor Rigby 14; 01-12-2021 at 07:28 AM.

01-12-2021, 07:47 AM	#8 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,006	Great points! __________________ 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Member of the Year & Journal of the Year Champion Behold the Writing of THE LEGEND: https://www.musicbanter.com/members-...p-lighter.html