Suggestions for a 14yr old rock fan pleeeease

OccultHawk · 01-15-2021, 07:31 AM

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opera rock

You never heard Tommy called a rock opera? She means concept albums.

The Batlord · 01-15-2021, 07:54 AM

Then why list it as a genre?

OccultHawk · 01-15-2021, 09:27 AM

Ms. Rigby

Can you please cut the bull**** and start sharing your thoughts on the dozens of recommendations you’ve received?

OccultHawk · 01-15-2021, 11:11 AM

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I don't know if I'm doing right by listening to full albums.

You are.

So you’re tackling The Velvet Underground & Nico

Lyrically and musically that’s a lot at 14 but you can do it. Other posters here don’t agree with me entirely but some records are unassailable. That means they’re entirely beyond criticism. I know they teach you the difference between fact and opinion in school and that your take on art is an opinion not a fact. But what they don’t tell you is that there is art that transcends our right to think critically of it. The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of those. It’s perfect. We’re lucky to share the planet with a creation so beautiful. For you, it’s not even a matter of liking it or not liking it. As a person you are a part of a universal bond with a work of art of this magnitude. You already love it. It’s not about what you think about it. It’s about finding the you that’s already in there that already loves it. It’s a journey of self-discovery and not one of a musical discovery. The music has already been discovered and the jury is in.

Just stick with it. Close your eyes and melt into it.

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-15-2021, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You are.

So you’re tackling The Velvet Underground & Nico

Lyrically and musically that’s a lot at 14 but you can do it. Other posters here don’t agree with me entirely but some records are unassailable. That means they’re entirely beyond criticism. I know they teach you the difference between fact and opinion in school and that your take on art is an opinion not a fact. But what they don’t tell you is that there is art that transcends our right to think critically of it. The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of those. It’s perfect. We’re lucky to share the planet with a creation so beautiful. For you, it’s not even a matter of liking it or not liking it. As a person you are a part of a universal bond with a work of art of this magnitude. You already love it. It’s not about what you think about it. It’s about finding the you that’s already in there that already loves it. It’s a journey of self-discovery and not one of a musical discovery. The music has already been discovered and the jury is in.

Just stick with it. Close your eyes and melt into it.

Yeah, I guess it wasn't a very good idea to listen to "The Velvet Undergound And Nico" just after "Please Mr. Postman" by The Beatles.
I've liked it, I didn't understand it very well, but hey, there's still a lot of time, but it's good that I'm already familiar to it.
I know that this doesn't have much to do with the topic but:
I didn't like Stairway To Heaven at first, it sounded really boring to my ears. And I tried many times, but I couldn't really enjoy listening to it although I knew it was a good song, a great composition and there was a great work behind it. So I sort of stopped listening to it, but I came back after. And I loved it, I think I never enjoyed listening to a song so much. It was like listening to it for the very first time. I don't know if you like Stairway or not, maybe you think that it's an overrated piece of garbage like many people do, but what I mean is that there's still a lot of time for me to discover new things and change my opinion 'bout music I didn't get before. I used to think I was never going to like The Wall, but here I am listening to it almost everyday while doing homework!

The Batlord · 01-15-2021, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

You are.

So you’re tackling The Velvet Underground & Nico

Lyrically and musically that’s a lot at 14 but you can do it. Other posters here don’t agree with me entirely but some records are unassailable. That means they’re entirely beyond criticism. I know they teach you the difference between fact and opinion in school and that your take on art is an opinion not a fact. But what they don’t tell you is that there is art that transcends our right to think critically of it. The Velvet Underground & Nico is one of those. It’s perfect. We’re lucky to share the planet with a creation so beautiful. For you, it’s not even a matter of liking it or not liking it. As a person you are a part of a universal bond with a work of art of this magnitude. You already love it. It’s not about what you think about it. It’s about finding the you that’s already in there that already loves it. It’s a journey of self-discovery and not one of a musical discovery. The music has already been discovered and the jury is in.

Just stick with it. Close your eyes and melt into it.

Shut up, bitch. You sound like an acid casualty cultist.

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-16-2021, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Shut up, bitch. You sound like an acid casualty cultist.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I thought the enthusiasm was kind of adorable and he's not wrong. VU = magic

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

He's wrong cause his point actually amounts to authoritarian dismissal of differing opinions and demnding everyone respect his musical authority.

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

oh of course he's wrong about not being allowed to criticise something. It just comes from a place of genuine love and his trademark lack of nuance

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Once The Velvet Underground are in play you can’t just skip it and move on. It’s pivotal and essential. Punk, post-punk, the dark side of psychedelia, caustic guitar work, all of that is at stake. There’s no validity in dismissing that record... only loss. I don’t want her growing up without Coltrane and Schoenberg, neglected without the care of the masters, and potentially end up lost, like you. I care.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're enjoying the condescension.

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Originally Posted by Frownland

It's not that serious dude. They can come back to it when they're ready.

Plus with your framing there's no validity in praising the record. You done rendered your own hype useless.

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Originally Posted by Tristan_Geoff

It’s long af but it’s got some real choice cuts on it

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Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Yes it is.

I don't understand anything. Google Translate didn't help me this time.

**Marie Monday** · 01-16-2021, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Eleanor Rigby 14

I don't understand anything. Google Translate didn't help me this time.

I'll give you a synopsis:
- Hawk worships the Velvet Underground so much he basically says they're magical and you can't criticise them
- I think you should be able to criticise anything but I like his enthusiasm
- The Batlord think's Hawk is being a nazi who wants to tell other people what to like
- Hawk is like 'naw I just want to be helpful'
- The Batlord is like 'nah you're a bitch'
- Frown is like 'well if you can't criticise the VU you're also not cool for loving them ooh snap'
So there you go

ps. don't let Hawk tell you what to do, just give him sass when he deserves it

Eleanor Rigby 14 · 01-16-2021, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I'll give you a synopsis:
- Hawk worships the Velvet Underground so much he basically says they're magical and you can't criticise them
- I think you should be able to criticise anything but I like his enthusiasm
- The Batlord think's Hawk is being a nazi who wants to tell other people what to like
- Hawk is like 'naw I just want to be helpful'
- The Batlord is like 'nah you're a bitch'
- Frown is like 'well if you can't criticise the VU you're also not cool for loving them ooh snap'
So there you go

ps. don't let Hawk tell you what to do, just give him sass when he deserves it

Ahhh, ok, thanks for the explanation and the advice!

OccultHawk · 01-16-2021, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie Monday

I'll give you a synopsis:
- Hawk worships the Velvet Underground so much he basically says they're magical and you can't criticise them
- I think you should be able to criticise anything but I like his enthusiasm
- The Batlord think's Hawk is being a nazi who wants to tell other people what to like
- Hawk is like 'naw I just want to be helpful'
- The Batlord is like 'nah you're a bitch'
- Frown is like 'well if you can't criticise the VU you're also not cool for loving them ooh snap'
So there you go

ps. don't let Hawk tell you what to do, just give him sass when he deserves it

One thing though I don’t think anyone can seriously dispute this: broad picture wise when it comes to music appreciation and knowledge from Gregorian Chant to hip hop my content knowledge is very hard to beat. There’s no one on this board more qualified to come up with a lifetime listening plan than me. I may be full of bluster but she came on here asking for recs and others can criticize my personality but my overall knowledge about music? There AINT no question.

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