Zep's influence was a lot more wide ranging than Sabbath. I think you'd be really surprised at how many artists across a very wide range of genres would name them as an influence. Here's another interesting read on the subject.

Long read warning.

http://textfiles.com/reports/zeppelin.txt

Again that article confirms my suspicions that the bands most heavily influenced by Zeppelin aren't so good. Dokken, Steve Vai, Cinderella, and Whitesnake? That's some pretty serious slim pickins.

Those are some some of the ****ty hair metal guys that blatantly ripped some riffs.

Both Ozzy and Tony have said that Zep I and Zep II were huge influences on the direction they decided to go with Sabbath.

Then there's these:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/spotify/band...t-led-zeppelin

My phone doesn't like that link if you just want to tell me the 15 bands.

I think the initial point wasn't that Led Zeppelin aren't influential, but that there are other artists that are equally/more influential.

The Beatles, The Stones, and Bob Dylan. Joni Mitchell too.

Pretty everyone that came after them took a huge amount of influence from one or more of them.

“I think at that point we were aspiring to be a Led Zeppelin kind of a band where you could pick up your acoustic instruments or you could go out and rock or you could play a country song." - Pearl Jam's Jeff Ament

Did Led Zeppelin influence the state of ambient music? minimalism? jazz? electronic music? noise? modern classical? drone?

Even metal or other subgenres may have been indirectly influenced by Zep through the power of degrees, but like I wouldn't say they were hugely influential in the development of black metal or industrial or new wave, etc(unless you want to use the well Led Zeppelin->A->B->C->D->E->black metal which just turns into a who's older contest).

Led Zeppelin are extremely influential in rock music, but they didn't recreate music or anything and there are tons of other music avenues, styles, genres and movements that they did not touch or help develop.

I'm strictly talking about rock and it's immediate off-shoots.

A couple of examples.

Communication Breakdown > The Ramones

Four Sticks > Jane's Addiction

gotcha. we're on the same page then

Black Sabbath mostly influential to extreme metal genres, whereas Led Zeppelin the whole heavier end of the rock spectrum in general.

Plus more chicks dig Zeppelin.

https://vinylstylus.files.wordpress....zeppelin-3.jpg

Grrr... Everyone loves to praise Bob Dylan, and yet they never say a word about Joan Baez... Even Judas Priest loved her enough to cover "Diamonds and Rust". Although Judas Priest did get their name from a Bob Dylan song... Ah, I just can't escape him!

Chicks dug Hair Metal too. Didn't save it.

^^^^^^ :clap:

^ Is there a decent quality soundboard recording of that show? The only ones I've come across are audience recordings.

Just audience I guess.

The Year of Led Zeppelin: Day 98: 2/25/1972 Auckland, New Zealand

Go to 7:37 in this video.

True. My wife loved them the moment I introduced them to her.

Most women introduced to Led Zep find them heavy and sexy, whereas with Black Sabbath they'll probably say "Oh that's heavy metal......."

Sounds about right! She's not a fan of BS.

So, my Dad just ordered all of these new remasters. Seems like a lot of Led Zeppelin is in my future, which is totally cool as far as I'm concerned.

This looks cool.

Led Zeppelin: 'Five Glorious Nights' Book To Celebrate 40th Anniversary Of Appearance At Earls Court - Blabbermouth.net

Well, since this thread has been brought back to life, I guess I have no choice but to pick on Led Zeppelin some more. :ar_15s:

Lifetime Achievement Awards are basically the consolation prizes of music. And, as Frownland once pointed out, Grammys are mostly about popularity and give no true indication of a musician's talent.

Sure, Page, Plant and the boys have got chops, but I find the whole "Who's the best?" debate to be pretty pointless and petty. Especially since they had very little imagination, and routinely stole riffs, lyrics, and even whole songs. After just five minutes of research, you'll quickly learn that Led Zeppelin aren't quite the masterminds that you might believe them to be.

Bull****. Just complete and utter bull****. I could post literally hundreds of pre-Zep bands that smoke, drank, had sex, took drugs, and spit in the faces of anyone who questioned them. Saying that Led Zeppelin, or any one of their ancestors or peers, "defined rock music and the rock lifestyle" is just pretentious beyond belief. It's raising up one band, while covering your ears and shouting "Na na na!" to every other band that contributed to the scene.

The only thing they changed about music on the radio was making it an annoying and obsolete form of sharing music, as everyone got tired of Zep fanboys playing "Stairway to Heaven" (of which the famous intro riff was stolen from "Taurus" by the band Spirit) over and over. Okay, joking aside, what did Led Zeppelin do with their songs that other bands hadn't done before, in terms of radio-play? You'll have to elaborate, because it seems like a very vague and unsubstantiated statement that exists solely to stroke the band's ego.

"Whole Lotta Love"? You mean the song that they stole from Muddy Waters, which eventually caused them to be sued into oblivion until they settled with him?



The band "oozed sexuality and macho-ism" because that was the trademark attitude of the Blues, of which they were a revival band. Before they were even born, the groundwork for their sound was laid down and mastered. Saying that Led Zeppelin created this sound and attitude is like saying that Elvis created Rock and Gospel; it's mistaking appropriation with innovation. Before Led Zeppelin had even released their debut LP, Blues Revival music like this was happening:

:D

http://www.buzzfeed.com/spotify/20-t...-e#.dpbBdE66wZ

'Look at how ****in famous these blokes are. And they never even released a single! Holy ****!'

I love Zep but come on man, they ain't the second coming of Buddha.

Never said they were. But they are close to the top.

List of best-selling music artists - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sales are so important.

Here we go again...........

Google greatest band of all time.

Zeppelin will show up in the top five in just about all of the hits you'll get.

Whatever....

http://ledzeppelin-reference.com/gee...s/427/1469.jpg

In all fairness, Google "Worst Band of All Time" and you'll get a similar result. I'm saying that as a Zep fan. We all gave our tastes.

Google greatest US presidents of all time and both Ronald Reagan and GWB come up in the top five results.

Go Reagan?

I'm really comfy in my Zep fan worship. Been that way since 1970. Nothing is gonna take it away.

Linda and I saw this in a packed movie theater with a bunch of Zep fans. Lots of fathers and sons for sure.

So many goose bump moments.

I'm a big Ike fan

Whilst I agree with a lot of the points you've raised about Led Zep, you need to remember that Chula was around in the 1970s when Led Zep were doing all of the above, so he would've lived and breathed with the band as it were and views the band with a certain amount of nostalgia, and they were the highest profile band to do all the aspects that you're picking him up on.

http://static.gigwise.com/gallery/plane1973.jpg

http://24.media.tumblr.com/31e74e169...rlbo3_1280.png

I used to have that poster in high school.

Me too

This is interesting:

7 Songs That Led Zeppelin Ripped Off : Exclusives : Music Times

I've really been warming up to Zeppelin this year. I've always liked them to some degree, but they never really sunk into my taste until lately, primarily due to hearing Physical Graffiti front to back for the first time.

I wore em out in my late teens, but I can still stomach some of it these days. Houses Of The Holy is still my favorite full album from them.